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| Chibi wrote: | TO:Bubbaknoxz & NightShade & SOS
I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA
ps whats up with this days SOS keep requesting stuff (FAIL!)
Next time if you don't want be called FAIL make sure get all the INFO right and post please this is making me laugh hahaha |
Post something productive, or do not post something at all, Chibi. You have a warning for unnecessary and unwarranted bashing of other players. Don't let me see you posting things like this again.
To all others. Please keep on topic and be productive. Bashing others for personal and petty reasons will not be tolerated.
I will post my personal opinion on the matter within 48 hours.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 am |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | kinness wrote: | i think that this topic is similar to the "giggling box should be ban..."...
"To restrict scrolls from WoE would only make the opposite side unhappy. "
at the end, no change. |
The giggling argument has nothing in here. Its an actual healing item in servers, much like panting boxes. Of course I believe all healing adds should be allowed but thats just me.
The scrolls on the other hand are meant to allow people to use cards/items they really don't have. And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor.
If you want undead elemental use a Aesprika, if you want Holy elemental use a Angeling or Archdam card. Its that simple, the scrolls just nerf those items. |
i'm not talking about giggling box here, and i'm just used it as example.
what i want to say is, don't waste your time in this topic nothing will change at the end (just like banning GTB, giggling box....nothing happened.)
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And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor.
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Luminous and Pimpgirl already prove that you are wrong (and i read that long time ago...  )
anyway, the scroll do not reduce damage from neutral but Asprika does...
so u can't say they are same.
ps: you can refer to Luminous and Pimpgirl post
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:14 am |
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Alot of people seem to disagree with you guys just because they dont like you :S Regardless of the suggestion.
SOS cant be that bad (apart from the crumby emblem :S), no one has gotten on my nerves since i have came back. Everyone is always verbally attacking SOS, take a break lol.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:20 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | Alot of people seem to disagree with you guys just because they dont like you :S Regardless of the suggestion.
SOS cant be that bad (apart from the crumby emblem :S), no one has gotten on my nerves since i have came back. Everyone is always verbally attacking SOS, take a break lol. |
nice of you , i guess istill respect u .
On the topic , yes holy and undead scrolls where on ro on oficial servers as rental items but they were removed from the cash shop .
When asprika where added here , there wasnt the chance tht undead scroll was also available ? then yea will bring unbalance , u wearin the 7 manteus + the scrol u get 50% to the 4 basics elements of the game , and 30 to the other 3 .. not countin if u were wearing valky shield tht add u 20% to 4 of the 7 elements .
Maybe the asprika should be tested without the scrolls and see wht is better or wht is worst . Not even better or worst , se wht are the diferences , i dont like the bad attitude tht pple hold against us , leave the guild aside . because this just pain me : the bishin and moanin. I puted two fingers on my head and replied . |
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:32 am |
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You can still get immunity to one element, or strong resistance to quite a few without scrolls, removing them wont do anything much if people know there elements.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:35 am |
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im aware of tht .. glenn one question u been playin here long ago well u returned a bit ago but u were prolly when aesprika was added. i would like to now aesprika and scrolls were both available at same time ?
If is a yes , i think on oficial server this items disapeared of the cash shop with the upcoming aesprika .
leaving tht aside i already voted , and said my statements . |
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:42 am |
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| kinness wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | kinness wrote: | i think that this topic is similar to the "giggling box should be ban..."...
"To restrict scrolls from WoE would only make the opposite side unhappy. "
at the end, no change. |
The giggling argument has nothing in here. Its an actual healing item in servers, much like panting boxes. Of course I believe all healing adds should be allowed but thats just me.
The scrolls on the other hand are meant to allow people to use cards/items they really don't have. And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor.
If you want undead elemental use a Aesprika, if you want Holy elemental use a Angeling or Archdam card. Its that simple, the scrolls just nerf those items. |
i'm not talking about giggling box here, and i'm just used it as example.
what i want to say is, don't waste your time in this topic nothing will change at the end (just like banning GTB, giggling box....nothing happened.)
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And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor.
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Luminous and Pimpgirl already prove that you are wrong (and i read that long time ago... )
anyway, the scroll do not reduce damage from neutral but Asprika does...
so u can't say they are same.
ps: you can refer to Luminous and Pimpgirl post |
And scrolls mess with magical damage, because people would prefer "cheating" ( As far as I'm concerned, it pretty much is ) by using a voting npc headgear that gives you scrolls when you kill a certain monster or w/e (Never bothered to get the helms cause I'm against the idea in the first place ) instead of actually hunting for the proper cards, and working to make an Asperika.
By all means, I wouldn't be posting if I was going against a person with Asperika and an Angeling card. But for simple scrolls that can reduce magical damage down to basically nothing?
Then you say they're balanced, heh.
PS - You can refer to this post instead of mouthing off against a guild for no apparent reason.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:43 am |
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| marine wrote: | im aware of tht .. glenn one question u been playin here long ago well u returned a bit ago but u were prolly when aesprika was added. i would like to now aesprika and scrolls were both available at same time ?
If is a yes , i think on oficial server this items disapeared of the cash shop with the upcoming aesprika .
leaving tht aside i already voted , and said my statements . |
I was here before aesprika was added, when it was added, and when it was removed. I only found out about scrolls not long ago, so i dont know if they were there before hand, apparently they were though.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:52 am |
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Well , on my first reply on this i said i talked to luzz .. wll i rlly did and i asked him about if scrolls were here before the aesprika andhe said yes , ur right mate .
Also if im not mistaken this issue has been discused a few times betwen the gm crew and i believe they will discus it again .
Frankly i got used to this 2 scrolls . How to say it i dont mind em , i even go to pvp nowadays having both farm hats already without scrolls , tho i see lot more meanin on a god item than on a scroll .
edit: grammar failed on this one but im lazy to fix it . |
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:55 am |
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aesprika was implemented before the scrolls were released, scrolls only became available about a month later AFTER it (meaning aesprika) was taken out of pvp.
with just an aesprika, and the donation wings + headgears I can have 100% reduction from every element. I wouldn't even use the scrolls then.
| NightShade wrote: | | And scrolls mess with magical damage, because people would prefer "cheating" ( As far as I'm concerned, it pretty much is ) by using a voting npc headgear that gives you scrolls when you kill a certain monster or w/e (Never bothered to get the helms cause I'm against the idea in the first place ) instead of actually hunting for the proper cards, and working to make an Asperika. |
I'm not sure what you mean by "cheating", but in any case please refer back to the topic of the giggling box, because they're both the same in revelence to obtaining an item and using it in pvp/woe for an advantage.
So by saying you want aesprika to be useable in pvp again you mean to say you'd rather deal with something that cannot be stripped, and has no time limit that reduces 30% from EVERY element including neutral rather than a scroll with a time duration with the effect of a valkrie shield(ie. its only 20% from 4 elements)?
how are you to say no one hunts for cards or tries to make an aesprika?
I sell dawn essences and it sells out pretty quick (btw I'm the only person who sells it via 40mil in payon).
| NightShade wrote: | By all means, I wouldn't be posting if I was going against a person with Asperika and an Angeling card. But for simple scrolls that can reduce magical damage down to basically nothing?
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switch characters? use different spells? theres more than one way to kill someone in pvp, and still you'd rather say to deal with aesprika than scrolls?.(remember 30% is a bigger number than 20% assuming you went to school)
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Then you say they're balanced, heh.
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RO will never be balanced, deal with it. |
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:22 am |
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| Luminous wrote: |
with just an aesprika, and the donation wings + headgears I can have 100% reduction from every element. I wouldn't even use the scrolls then.
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You cant have 100% reduction from every element at once. Only one.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:01 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Luminous wrote: |
with just an aesprika, and the donation wings + headgears I can have 100% reduction from every element. I wouldn't even use the scrolls then.
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You cant have 100% reduction from every element at once. Only one. |
i dont think he meant all at once, but switching out. o-o
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:15 am |
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On top of that it is stupid not taking advantage of scrolls. Saves switching headgears as much. Split cards up then instead of having all of them in one set.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:32 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | On top of that it is stupid not taking advantage of scrolls. Saves switching headgears as much. Split cards up then instead of having all of them in one set. |
from the post i read, i think it clearly states that if the scrolls "were" taken out, and aesprika "was" put back in there would be no need because aesprika has a better effect anyways.
besides i dun think its really that hard to set one head gear to one skill slot and just press it until you dun see damage anymore. and if i remember luminous is that sinx that everyone hates, if he plays sin then he could just backslide and change helms reducing overall damage taken.
speaking of backslide all classes have a skill like that, wizzies and priests have safty wall, champs have snap, snipers and clowns have charge arrow, lk's and pallies have magnum break, shadow jump for ninja, (never played slingers), and taekwons have that jump skill.
if all else fails just use a hide clip and change.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:44 am |
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is right tht aesprika have better reduction but no one is takin on count tht usin a manteu as a example : Hode card 30% less for earth so far this reduce like aesprika , but my point is you eat a undead scroll and wolah tht 30% goes to a 50% . the same happens to wind . Fire and water get still more reduction because the valk shield .
likei said i already got used to this scrolls , but couldnt help no one said this of stack a manteu + the undead scroll .
another example a wizzy comes in a jt , i use wind manteu undead scroll and holy scroll . total reduction around 75%? eat wind resist pot raise it more , use headgear reductions it will keep raisin .
while aesprika would only give 30 to all and u cant stack the undead scroll over it (if it were removed)u woulndt get the 50%.
its understable whtim tryin to say?
if u ask me the only anoyin thing of the aesprika is the flee bonus .
Edit: i had understood luminous and regis quited , but this is off topic .. heh u still sell essence i will never feed a merchant. |
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