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| dragonbug wrote: | | killing in the mvp rooms is hunting its a constant battle. and the reason turtle gens better is it does 20% more damage and magnum break, incant only works on regular monsters not boss monsters. and no im not a hypocrite for using the mvp rooms at my disposal. i do go out and hunt all the others that arent in there but when im bored or wanna try and make some cash i go to the rooms so bite me XD |
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| dragonbug wrote: | | killing in the mvp rooms is hunting its a constant battle. and the reason turtle gens better is it does 20% more damage and magnum break, incant only works on regular monsters not boss monsters. and no im not a hypocrite for using the mvp rooms at my disposal. i do go out and hunt all the others that arent in there but when im bored or wanna try and make some cash i go to the rooms so bite me XD |
Incan if I remember correctly, Ignores defence of target you're attacking.
And if I'm not mistaken, you're sounding a bit hypocritical about first Wanting the mvp room, but now you're disapproving of having one such as the one we've thought of. What we're suggesting is people have the option to CHOOSE which Mvp card they wish to hunt, with all the guidelines and such. What you're saying is, You rather have an entire room of mvp's at your disposal. Also ofcourse, the mvp room we're suggesting would atleast Try* to fix the economy considering the prices of cards. Incan - 5 or 10m, Tgen 80 - 120m? Rediculous no? Yet the funny thing is, BOTH cards are found within the Mvp room. So why so much of a difference if BOTH can be farm'd?
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Y'know, I hate to say this about the card thing, but part of the reason the cards are so expensive is cause of people over hyping how useful and rare they are. I mean, Phreeoni's an alright card (I find it useless but whatever, to each their own) and I'll just toss them away. Not even bother selling them, which seems to have broken it's price slightly (at least, for non vendor class characters) When I first got one, it was worth 20 mil, then I sold it for 10 mil, and got Incan with that, the next one? dropped it in prontera, and so on with it, now I see it being sold by non vendors for 10 m, so, that could be one solution to the price thing about them. But yes, I agree with the op that the mvp arena needs an upgrade (maybe even just more rooms or each room is a different set of mvps or his original idea)
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im done talking about this subject. you can talk to skye and luzz about the incant card..their the ones that have stated that it doesnt work on boss monsters
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Change is good, honestly I like change. But sitting here and saying that a system that's worked for well over a year (the mvp areana and such) isn't good enough? Sure, I can see your reasoning, I'm in there most of my RO carrear anyhow, but what you are asking for would require a shit tone of work on the admin's part, and he already does so much as it is.
So I'm glade suggestions are being made, just be mindful of the workload put on those who have to creat your idea's if they are taken to consideration.
The problem I have with your summoning system is that yes, from where I sit, it looks too easy, looks like you're trying to cop out on the actual work and effort it takes to get good cards, it would be just like you buying them from someone for zeny or real money, you didn't work for it ingame. For some of us, yes that is the easiest and fastest way to reach our means but did you end up working hard for it? I donno, it took me two weeks of endless hunting to finally get a Maya P card, and when I got it... I was so happy and excited and relieved that I didn't have to hunt for it anymore.
I think the reward of finaly geting something you worked hard for is more important, but that's just me, and like cadian I guess I'm preachin to the wrong crowed.
I'll get to the point.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, but I wish you luck on getting it heard and considered by the admin.
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| dragonbug wrote: | | im done talking about this subject. you can talk to skye and luzz about the incant card..their the ones that have stated that it doesnt work on boss monsters |
Incan is really a PVP type card, it wasn't meant for boss type monsters. If you want a boss monster card you go with Abyss Knight.
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Change is good, honestly I like change. But sitting here and saying that a system that's worked for well over a year (the mvp areana and such) isn't good enough? Sure, I can see your reasoning, I'm in there most of my RO carrear anyhow, but what you are asking for would require a shit tone of work on the admin's part, and he already does so much as it is.
So I'm glade suggestions are being made, just be mindful of the workload put on those who have to creat your idea's if they are taken to consideration.
The problem I have with your summoning system is that yes, from where I sit, it looks too easy, looks like you're trying to cop out on the actual work and effort it takes to get good cards, it would be just like you buying them from someone for zeny or real money, you didn't work for it ingame. For some of us, yes that is the easiest and fastest way to reach our means but did you end up working hard for it? I donno, it took me two weeks of endless hunting to finally get a Maya P card, and when I got it... I was so happy and excited and relieved that I didn't have to hunt for it anymore.
I think the reward of finaly geting something you worked hard for is more important, but that's just me, and like cadian I guess I'm preachin to the wrong crowed.
I'll get to the point.
I'm not a big fan of the idea, but I wish you luck on getting it heard and considered by the admin.
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This system does make it a bit more difficult than what it currently is. I mean if I can sit in a room and have incans bapho and dl coming at me none stop, to me thats way more easier to get a MVP card. Trust me 15 min wait time is a very long time that people will forget. You will see cards go to the prices they are supposed to be, because of it.
Also it wouldn't affect rarity either, if the admins wish they can remove Kiel, VR, Gloom, and other rarities from the MVP room. But the only way to actually drop the crazy prices now is to introduce the rare cards into the server, to "make them 'a little less rare'". And no it doesn't need to be 20 cards introduced but 10-15 cards will cause the price to drop.
As far as scripting its not really that difficult, I used to script for RO server's years ago. Some of my scripts could be found running around on this server. I.E the banker with the 5% interest rate, was one of my first scripts on eathena  . Of course someone else could have renamed the script or modified it to themselves but thats not the point. I would write this script but I haven't used that type of coding in over 2 years(likely changed due to new ideas), but this idea could most likely be found/made on eathena.ws within a few hours.
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The prices you pay to summon MVP's
Normal MVPs(Moonie, Mistress, Tanee): 250K per summon
Mid Level MVPs (Tao, Tgen, Incan, Bapho): 500K per summon
High Level MVPs (Thana, Kiel, VR, Gloom): 1m per summon
Once you complete the quest for the arena pass you get free summons on the Normal, 2/3 discount (or free if people want) on Mid level MVPs & 15 minute wait drops to 10 mins. You can only unlock High Level MVPs with the quest done so their prices and time delay(30 mins) stay the same.
And as stated before you do need the quest item required to summon the High Level MVP's that require it.
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How about a npc sellin bloody branches for less than 5 m ? Well i did the nifelheim mister mobry quest of dead branchs and % to get one bb , after fail over times , went eathena.ws and searched for mister mobry script . Founded out mister mobry does u one bb on a 0.01% well on the time u would work ur arse out farmin db ingredents to get 2 bb u could buy 3 bb from a merchant , as far i understand tht quest is there and no one actually use it because is a x1 rate quest .. ok ok i could understand if we were all lvl 99 with x1 drop rate , have a 0.01% to get a bb.. just to clear up the quest is , 5 logs , 3 trunks , 1wooden heart and 1 thingelse . for one db .. with a 0.01% to get a bloody branch u have to farm 5k of logs 3k of trunk 1k and 1k of other to get 1 bb eugh im personally an i dont like to feed merchants overpricing , seriusly they buy gc 35m and sell bb 5 m , make npc to sell bb at tht price will make 1 - rares cards from bb come more often ,. 2- overprices will go down .
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Honestly... people inflate the prices of cards on how 'rare' they are and how 'useful' they could be in pvp, if people weren't so greedy to begin with, we wouldn't be having this issue popping up but unfortunatly we cant change everyone's opinion.
I don't like the idea. Plain and Simple. No matter how good the idea is, it'll just end up putting more cards into the hands of people who decide sense they have said good pvp card now they can be jerks in pvp to those who don't have such cards. There's always an upside and a downside, and I just think the downside to this idea is a little too high for the upside.
As far as the npc for bloody branches goes... they are a donation item, they aren't meant to be easily optained because then it would negate the need to go hunt certian mvps and make their presence on the maps a little useless ... I just think this all sounds a little lazy to me.
This'll be the last time I comment, sense I am really just going into the same speal I had before.
It's an okay Idia, but I don't think it'll come about anytime soon.
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| Quote: | Honestly... people inflate the prices of cards on how 'rare' they are and how 'useful' they could be in pvp, if people weren't so greedy to begin with, we wouldn't be having this issue popping up but unfortunatly we cant change everyone's opinion.
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I agree with this statement till the last part. If this is implemented chances are the greed will go done because they'll realize people can find there cards too. However it doesn't stop the extremely lazy factor of those who just want to buy their cards. This is supposed to be a middle ground so to say.
| Quote: | | I don't like the idea. Plain and Simple. No matter how good the idea is, it'll just end up putting more cards into the hands of people who decide sense they have said good pvp card now they can be jerks in pvp to those who don't have such cards. There's always an upside and a downside, and I just think the downside to this idea is a little too high for the upside. |
Isn't that how it is now in the pvp room? Only thing that will change is now everyone will have access to the same mvp's, they can chose which one they want to kill and which they want to ignore. People preach about making it a level playing field here's your chance to get the same equipment.
| Quote: | | As far as the npc for bloody branches goes... they are a donation item, they aren't meant to be easily optained because then it would negate the need to go hunt certian mvps and make their presence on the maps a little useless ... I just think this all sounds a little lazy to me. |
I wouldn't mind a npc selling BB's, like trading in event vouchers for 20 or voting coins( This will def create more votes) . Endless possibilities. And for the last part the current MVP room is laziness to a T. Endless waves is being lazy, waiting in between spawns in the MVP room isn't. Tgen is a good card, Incan is a good card (Ghetto Thana), they are both much more easily had now than it will be if the new MVP room is implemented.
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As far as the npc for bloody branches goes... they are a donation item, they aren't meant to be easily optained because then it would negate the need to go hunt certian mvps and make their presence on the maps a little useless ... I just think this all sounds a little lazy to me.
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is not about lazyness hence i went and hunted materials, time consuming , time is gold someone said, Just make the count to hunt 5k of logs you could make more zeny on the mvp room to buy the bb wich put this quest at mr smile quest lvl . , i just dont like bb being a donation item for everyone when there's a quest tht reward u with theses . As bb stay donation i dont see any other way to lower prices . meh , my opinion is tht . and quests is not easily obtain just think from 100% now divide tht to 0.01% wad are ur chances to do a bb out of lot of hardwork . 1 bb out of 1000 tryes? Sory to say it like this but , its just seem like a : if u want to do bloody branches donate or buy from the gc exchanger for zeny , man it feels wrong when u see gc sellins at 35m and the buyer sells bb at 5m , if u buy from the one overpricing u are doing nothing else than help inflation . now if u put another round to all this , changes may happen . |
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:47 pm |
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Actually, I don't know if the GM's have looked this topic over and decided already or not. But I was looking around and found something that could be useful if they find a way to alter it, it's a script for a room similar to the private pvp rooms, where a person (or group of people) enter, password lock it, and then pay to summon an mvp of their choice, and amount (it doesn't go higher than 10, which even with our current drop rates wouldn't be an issue since I had to kill 1000 orc lords for 1 card..and yes I keep track of that type of thing) The amount allowed for each monster is apparently editable, as is the price for summoning them and renting the room. They also edited this script to alter the time length of how long a person could be in said room before timing out of it. (I believe they have it set for 1 hour, but it's editable so that a player can't hog a room over night with @at). If this is something the Admin's are considering, they should take a look at it. Since everything with this script I found is editable and seems to suit the OP's idea pretty well, and could solve the issue with card price inflation.
Either way, if a new MVP room is installed, I vote to keep the old one as well, since I don't feel like paying 500k to go kill a turtle general once and not get anything worth while from it (I'm greedy, so what?) only to have to pay another 500k to see a second TG with nothing again, and now no way to recover my lost zeny.
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You said earlier you sold Phreeoni for 10m, though it is worth 20m.
It is(or atleast used to be) only worth 10m. You were accurate in your decision.
Some people just think they're in a different server or are mad-greedy, and don't care.
I can think of 4 people with that problem, off hand.
I won't name them.
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | The prices you pay to summon MVP's
Normal MVPs(Moonie, Mistress, Tanee): 250K per summon
Mid Level MVPs (Tao, Tgen, Incan, Bapho): 500K per summon
High Level MVPs (Thana, Kiel, VR, Gloom): 1m per summon
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Rare mvps and their cards should remain just that, rare. Big whoop if they are overpriced. Summoning tao, thana and kiel is absolute bulls**t.
15 minutes or not, instantaneous summon of hard to find mvp's would be a big no no. If you want things so easy guys, play a high rate server, you will love it there.
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: | The prices you pay to summon MVP's
Normal MVPs(Moonie, Mistress, Tanee): 250K per summon
Mid Level MVPs (Tao, Tgen, Incan, Bapho): 500K per summon
High Level MVPs (Thana, Kiel, VR, Gloom): 1m per summon
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Rare mvps and their cards should remain just that, rare. Big whoop if they are overpriced. Summoning tao, thana and kiel is absolute bulls**t.
15 minutes or not, instantaneous summon of hard to find mvp's would be a big no no. If you want things so easy guys, play a high rate server, you will love it there. |
Big whoop? As far as it seems, you're not looking to buy any Expensive cards, so why are you including you own thoughts about what is a "rare" and not rare? From what it looks like, you don't care about what the price of cards are. But god forbid you look for a card and complain it's overpriced.
I could have done the Kiel Quest, does it make him a "rare" mvp card? No. ANY mvp can be found. Considering the rates on this server, shit. I'm suprised no one even bothers to hunt these so called "RARE" mvp's, As you put it. And what makes you believe 15 minutes waiting time for an Mvp is a "Big no no"? As far as I'm concerned, it's better that way. It gets people out of the damn Mvp room and hunt for money else where instead of being lazy and staying in a room where Mvps mass-spawn for free*. Now i'm to understand that you don't consider Mistress, T Gen, Baphomet and any other Mvp within the Mvp room to be "rare" Just because they're there?
Seems like you're the lazy one who rather preach about what is this and that.
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