[lucidts]

imagine if all the mvps wer availible, now i think gtb would need nerf to make this work, but lets say the only thing limiting ur ability to hunt mvp cards is how much they cost to spawn, and make some of them VERY expensive, ur talking about limiting the number of mvps when u can still buy bbs and anyone ive known that invested a decent amount into bbs got alot of rares.

lets say u want to get a kiel, first off, to get 1 kiel u need 500 kills on average, thats 2 cards per 1k but u cant farm in mvp room so u need go out into the world, hunt gear, upgrade it, vend it, sell it, sell ur cards, itl make more people vend stuff again and itl make it worth it to hunt and upgrade gears to make $ to buy mvps to get cards and u dont hafto watch a clock all day to keep tabs on whatever mvp cards u want, u can still do it like that or u can earn money to earn mvp cards and at the same time strengthening the market place.

theres already alot of ppl with too many rares because this is a small server with bbs and 2x drop rate, this will give everyone, even ppl without irl money to buy branches, a chance to get things that they want as long as they are productive players.

the reason im saying all of this is because there are alot of ppl with too many rare cards, its just too easy for someone to farm up bbs, and who wants to stay at a server where every other person has 3+ rare mvp cards, alot of ppl have RETARDED amounts of mvp cards and of corse those ppl will reject this idea because they want to keep being ahead of everyone els, this server has really turned into a troll fest because ppl with rare cards get together, make a guild, and troll the shit out of the game, so i ask you, if you went to a server THIS SMALL with guilds having 2-4 creators with 2 kiels + sprint set to spam everyone to death would u really wana stay?

other things still needs more balancing, we need to max attack speed at 195 and nerf gtb because lk are too strong with this attack speed, bowling bash is ridiculous and in a server with 195 attack speed u cant just spam the hell out of it,

lk has become the end all power house character unless u have a creator and even then they are a very close 2nd to creators, while mages are really not used as much, every caster, or should i say ex caster says they stopped because of gtb, and its very frustrating because i am a caster and im tired of being trolled by ppl with gtb and maya in pvp room.

maya needs a reduction in reflect, and its not balanced compared to melee reflect, when a caster hits a maya equiped LK with spells, my avrage build is about 70k hp for my ninja with decent vita, like 150-160 ish (its been a while) and ur fighting a lk with lk hp and over 50% reflect, even the 30% from maya alone is enouf for the lk to take ur hits and just kill u automaticaly.

i havent met a person yet that does not agree with me, lets say ur a mage and ur spaming area spells and hit 2 ppl with a maya each and other reflect items, u are one dead mage, melee fighters dont need to worry about aoe reflecting and being killed because they can generaly only target one thing at a time, so i say make maya about 10-15% reflect, then make gtb something like 40% resist magic, you could easily get your magic damage down to almost nothing with that and a few other cards and items but u wouldnt be COMPLETELY IMMUNE, and the other player can use cards like fbh / high wiz and not be completely screwed vs gtb.

well its late and i am tired, i typed alot more than i originally planned to but i think my point came across, i want to see this server become a place where u can work hard at grinding and get the cards and items you want in direct proportion to how much you work on it, i think that is more than fair, and i dont really care about more ppl having a few more rares because when you go to woe u fight so many already, like 10%+ of the community has ALOT of rares, it shouldn't be so that ppl without irl money, and no time to camp mvps have almost no chance to get anything in a server where so many have so much.

to quote makoto uragi "Nothing is rare in the world of Bloody Branches" so stop trying to perserve balance when there is no balance to speak of, just rich and poor is all i see.



u know there is something i didnt think about at first, because i came to this server and just bought angra and everything els i needed as far as donations went.

when a new person, under age, no credit card no cash or parents will not let them spend money in a game, ive met a few ppl with parents like that, the best way to catch up in gold, after getting someone to help u max probably, is go to the mvp rooms, and farm until you have enouf money for an angra, i think alot of us are taking our donates for granted when we are talking about getting rid of the mvp rooms.

i think it will be fine to have some of the mvp cards, the ones that are in mvp rooms already, not be so expensive, but we should do something to the spawn times, or the number of monsters in each room so that we cannot over farm the mvp rooms but it will be there for ppl who are A. trying to get a simi rare card or B. trying to earn some gold when you are new to the game and saving to get an angra, or even if u are just lazy and need to pop on and make a couple mill every now and then for basic bs like decarding and respecing, who wants to wait for someone to buy your vendors goods just to get a few hundred thousand gold to decard ur donate helm to trade it in?

if ppl are not selling anything to the npcs then we are not getting any new money into the game, so there needs to be a system for people to hunt things u can sell to npcs for decent cash, but not so much that it throws everything off, i have a couple of ideas for balancing this, we can cut the number of spawns in each room by a fraction, or we can just cut out the last 1-3 rooms in each set, this would get rid of the rooms that only powerful players can go, who are fully equipped with donates and just farming to get gold coins for more branches or in this hypothetical newly designed server, to spawn better mvp monsters.

the new mvp room should be designed for players to slowly, and with some hard work, get an angra, then the angra helps that player go into areas and farm items to make more money than you couldnt without having the angra.

there isn't anything that's going to get rid of all the excess cards from our mvp spawn rooms so we should just settle for having those (and maybe a few more ) mvp cards not worth much and having to work for the others, and with enough patience, (and nowhere near as much luck) we can get the cards that we want by hitting the natural spawn whenever you can and then go farm, go make items, go sell your extra cards, then hit the mvp spawning npc, that way your getting people to work for the server by filling the markets with goods.

imagine having a character starting on a server like this, and after a few years you can say, look i have 3 kiel, or whatever, the longer your here and the more you work, the more powerful you become, it would make some people rise to legendary status, like this guy, "Mr X","hes been here for 10 years! hes an lk with tao thana gtb and amon ra, i seen em kill FITY MEN!"
instead of "this guy showed up 2 months ago and started buying branches, dude he got a thana, a gtb, an amon ra after breaking like 300 branches!" (because we all know that shit happens) and think about how you select your mvp spawns, do u start out getting a lot of smaller ones or do u go for something big, this will let you choose how you progress.

we should not worry about the server becoming imbalanced based on having more cards available because most of the time cards tend to balance themselves out, i have not found anything that's completely unbreakable,(even gtb) but when u have people with insane combinations of cards because they farmed bbs so much and your stuck with nothing because you have no irl money and no time to sit around and watch a clock so u can get the chance to fight some other jerk for a spawn on lets say kiel and then if they don't get it first u have a 1 in 1000 chance to get it, and even if u get that one kiel, your NEVER going to get more than 1 that way, its unrealistic, you will NEVER catch up to the people abusing the hell out of branches.

i think that a lot of people are worried that it will be too easy to make money and spawn the mvps, this can be completely controlled by the price of the spawns.

the spawns need to be priced somewhat related to the price of coins because coins and bbs are the other alternative to spawning mvp cards. I believe that's something to be decided by a gm or maybe someone more mathematically inclined than myself. i think the first place to start is what percent of each monster spawns from a bloody branch and going from there.

so if this works the way im seeing it, we can chop off the last 2 or 3 floors from each mvp room so that players are cut off from over farming those rooms for the gold to spawn rare mvp cards but not so much that your cutting lower level players an easily accessible means to earn angra or just some extra cash, ok im too tired to think anymore, im calling it quits for now, i literally cannot think but i think i explained everything pretty well -_-

[lucidts]

think about it like this, if u take a mvp thats worth lets say 100 gc, each gold coin is worth 40m 100 of them is worth 4 bill if im doin my math right, so u divide 4 bill by 500 which is 8 mill, 500 is the average number of monsters you need to kill before you get a card, thats how the price system would work.

now your talking about getting rid of one of the only things that gets gold fast enough to buy gold coins to get some branches and catch up to other ppl in this server, the most unappealing thing about this server is that there are so many people with way too much power and no way to catch up, ive seen this system work on other servers and i didnt see that everyone was overpowered, just a good number of people had a few rares.

i didnt start posting to hate on anyone, i had a lot of rares at one time as well, and i still have a couple but this system isn't working and i think i have some very good ideas and i back them up pretty well, if you would just like 5 minutes, not even, to read what i have to say you might see that its not a bad idea

[Kankuro]

summarize please hahah
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[lucidts]

the last post is more of a summary but let me try to make it clearer, the server is overflowing with cards and theres no way for new players to catch up without a new system like the one im talking about.

make the mvp rooms spawn less monsters to give new players the ability to get enouf gold to buy an angra or and farm petty cash, but not so many that u can just over farm the last few floors and make stupid money, that will make players go out and hunt for things like weapons and gear to upgrade and make big $ off of, also the extra cards they get while hunting for vending gears, itl make the market better

then u add an npc that spawns mvp monsters for the prices that i explained in the smaller post i made above this, because everyone with money can just spawn the hell out of bbs, but u hafto fight alota ppl for a chance to get a rare mvp card thats a 1 in 500 chance of droping this would make a system where you literaly get exactly what your hard work pays for and you can decide for yourself what mvp monsters you want to spawn

please dont neglect the big post, i know its alot but its only like 5 minutes of reading, not even and it makes this argument make alot more sence

[NightShade]

So in other words, you're supporting Bubba's MvP thread idea? If so, just keep that thread alive. If not, explain more in detail about your idea.

I didn't fully read your previous posts, it was too cluttered.
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[Kankuro]

so you need pvp kills to spawn mvps? im confused..if thats it people will just duel client and kill the alt account over and over.
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[lucidts]

i havent been around for any other posts, i just came back, and i explained very detailed in my other posts, the first post is a combination of two posts from the other thread which got cut off after i made it, the first one talks about what to do with the mvp spawner, the 2nd half (of the first post) talks about card balancing issues because if everyone could get a gtb then it would be and already is a very big problem, that and reflect just needs a little nerf.

the 2nd part of the post talks about the reasons to keep the old mvp rooms so that new players can farm up enough gold for angra, but maby cut the last 2-4 floors from each room so u can t over farm anymore, it makes ppl go and open more vendors, and we need that right now, but seriously i explain everything with alot more things to back it up on the first posts, please dont ignore them

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[kennethdominic]

I read the whole post, I can see that what you trying to say is new player got no chance to have rare/angra with the current system. Imo, if people are lazy to farm/hunt, then nothing more we can do to help. I'm started a year ago without financial support too (have no credit card, and never spend real money in game too) I started fresh and hunt in several place for a month to work on getting my 1st angra, and my creator's donation gears (total of 35gc) all from farming and selling stuff to npc, it takes me another month til i can survive mvp and go all out to hunt MVPs (those rare mvps in dungeons) and within a year of hunting them i got 20+ of cards with only 1,2hour a day. I'm not saying how good i am and also i met alot of ppl who did the same way. Everyday i checked, only me and a few looking fur those bosses. They are out there, just go kill them, and note the time, it's not like they didn't spawn.
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