 Topic: Change some donates to be slightly more..."official&quo |
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GlitchyVirus
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Let me present to you some item scripts:
| SinX Card wrote: | | { skill "AS_CLOAKING",3; },{},{ sc_end SC_CLOAKING; } |
| Bell Ribbon wrote: | | { bonus bVit,1; skill "AL_ANGELUS",1; },{},{ sc_end SC_ANGELUS; } |
| Wigs wrote: | | { bonus bSpeedRate,25; bonus bDef,4; skill "TF_HIDING",1; },{},{ sc_end SC_HIDING; } |
| Horong Card wrote: | | { skill "MG_SIGHT",1; },{},{ sc_end SC_SIGHT; } |
| Satellite Hairband wrote: | | { bonus bMaxHP,50; bonus bMaxSP,10; skill "AL_RUWACH",1; },{},{ sc_end SC_RUWACH; } |
These are just 5 of many. What's the common denominators here? Well, each of these items allow the use of different skills. However, and most importantly, if these items are taken off, THE EFFECTS ARE REMOVED.
Why do I say this? Because the donates do NOT have this effect. This is unofficial, and is very easily exploited. In fact, I see many people who hotkey the items and their skills, and then switch to a different item as soon as it's used. Some don't even hotkey anything, they just use them for buffs. Normally, this wouldn't be a problem, but there are several places where abuse is clear...
Black Blindfold: Unlike a Horong Clip, Ruwach does NOT end when the donate is removed. This is EASILY exploited: one does not even need to actively use the item, they can simply switch, use ruwach, and switch back to their mid. It's as simple as F1 F2 F3. Perhaps the "Black Blindfold is OP" topic had some merit: you were FORCED to sacrifice a, let's say, Megingjard in order to use a Horong Clip, but the blindfold doesn't even need to be USED...it could just sit in the inventory until activation is needed...
Saiyan Tail/Fabre Hat: Something similar is done here; I've seen several Wizards with FBH or other classes using Amon Ra switch to these items, buff, and go back to their normal equips. I feel the same way as with the Horong Clip: by using FBH or Amon Ra (among others), one is supposed to GIVE UP their speed in lieu of more power/protection, but this is EASILY bypassed by these items. In addition, with the Saiyan Tail, one can use it whenever they are Dec. Agi. in order to counteract it, but do not need to actively use it. This will happen whether this change is accepted or not, but still I thought it should be mentioned...
Those are just the cheapest of the items. The other donates that allow a skill but do NOT have a { sc_end SC_SKILL; } clause include: Bishop Hat, Marchers Hat, Orange Goggles, and Black Gangster Scarf. My suggestion is that, for each of these items, include a { sc_end SC_SKILL; } effect in regards to their given skill. Also note that by doing this, not only will it do many people a favor, but it will also be making the server SLIGHTLY more official, considering the develpors I ASSUME saw the "abuse" that could come from being able to put on a smokie card, hide, and then take it off...
TL;DR: Everything in Red. Debate and discuss...? *activates level 99 Flame Shield*
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| Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:50 am |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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So TLDR version:
The item goes on, the skill activates, but once the item goes off, the skill does not de-activate?
If so, then yes I think this needs some fixing.
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| Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:40 am |
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Sephiroth7500
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I'll pour water on your level 99 Flame Shield. Noob. <3
I don't agree on this too much, the buffs aren't anything too big. :O
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| Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:41 pm |
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Modern Myth
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I agree with Adam... It's kind of stupid to have the items not end after removing, Cause as adam said, The developers put in the script to end the skills cause it's a bit abuse-able... You don't want to be fighting a w/e class and have them use a sinx card, remove it and equip something better / difference... Just like assassin cross / Stalkers don't want someone to switch to ruwatch head gear really fast and then switch back to there normal equip. (Easy to add a small script edit too.)
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| Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:35 pm |
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GlitchyVirus
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For those who can't know how to read a script, I'll break it down easily. In the case of "{}, {}, {}" the first bracket means "This is what happens while the item is equipped", the second bracket means "Do this as soon as the item is equipped", and the third bracket means "Do this as soon as the item is unequipped".
Thus, in the case of the Black Blindfold (for example), the script is (most likely) the following:
| Black Blindfold wrote: | | { bonus bAllStats,3; skill "AS_Ruwach",1; },{},{} |
And THUS, the only change needed would be to do this:
| Black Blindfold wrote: | | { bonus bAllStats,3; skill "AS_Ruwach",1; },{},{ sc_end SC_RUWACH; } |
For Luzz, this would be an extremely easy thing to edit, so it's not a matter of "it's too difficult".
In response to Renechin, most of the items don't matter much of course, but my major problems are with the Black Blindfold and the Saiyan Tail (more)/Fabre Hat (less). These are the items that get the most abuse and that I believe need to be changed, but it would be unfair to only change these items so I mentioned the others as well.
And of COURSE, to appeal to Luzz's senses a bit more, don't forget that by making this change, the server will become slightly more official, seeing as almost ALL the items that have a lasting effect have a { sc_end SC_SKILL; } as well!
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^ SC_END
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