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| Elemental Sword wrote: | | { bonus bStr,2; bonus bInt,4; bonus bDex,1; bonus bMatkRate,5; bonus2 bAddEle,Ele_Neutral,10; bonus3 bAutoSpell,"MG_COLDBOLT",3,50; bonus4 bAutoSpellOnSkill,"MG_COLDBOLT","MG_FIREBOLT",3,1000; bonus4 bAutoSpellOnSkill,"MG_FIREBOLT","MG_LIGHTNINGBOLT",3,10000; bonus4 bAutoSpellOnSkill,"MG_LIGHTNINGBOLT","WZ_EARTHSPIKE",3,10000; },{},{} |
This is the script that is on RMS for the Elemental Sword. According to this skill:
->+3 Str
->+4 Int
->+1 Dex
->+5% Matk
->+10% Damage on Neutral
->5% Chance to Autocast Cold Bolt at Level 3
->When Cold Bolt is cast, 100% Chance to Autocast Fire Bolt at Level 3
->When Fire Bolt is cast, 100% Chance to Autocast Lightning Bolt at Level 3
->When Lightning Bolt is cast, 100% Chance to Autocast Earth Spike at Level 3
The stuff in red is my problem. For some reason, whenever one is casted (most obviously Cold Bolt), only ONE of the corresponding skills is autocasted. So when Cold Bolt is activated, ONLY Fire Bolt occurs with it, etc.
By the way this script looks, I don't think this is the way it's supposed to be. I think ALL 4 the bolts are supposed to be cast when Cold Bolt is cast, that 3 of the 4 are supposed be cast when Fire Bolt is cast, etc. I've also seen it act in this way on several other servers, which further makes me consider why it does not work the same here. That's why I think it may be a glitch/bug, or perhaps a mistake was made in the scripting, I don't know.
OR, perhaps the others servers I have visited were incorrect and this IS official and correct behavior, I don't really know. I just thought I would point it out and see what is told to me.
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:09 am |
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Tested. I don't have that problem.
I notice a trend, though: Cold Bolt casts more often, although I have cast the others as well.
Not typically after Cold Bolt, either.
What's the problem, again?
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:12 am |
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| GlitchyVirus wrote: | | For some reason, whenever one is casted (most obviously Cold Bolt), only ONE of the corresponding skills is autocasted. So when Cold Bolt is activated, ONLY Fire Bolt occurs with it, etc. |
Well, when I read the item script, this is exactly what I take it to mean. My thoughts are that it only counts for which bolt was cast first, so you are only supposed to cast a maximum of two bolts per. The original bolt followed by the second bolt depending on what the original was.
I could be incorrect though.
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:17 am |
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I think I understand what you mean, GV. The script leads you to believe that once a cold bolt is cast (either by autospell or through casting the skill itself), then the autospells set up should lead you through a chain of casting such that it does indeed cast all four bolts.
The thing preventing this from happening is just that, as far as I can tell, a character is limited to one autospell per event: either an attack, or on casting another skill, like with the above scripts.
That would explain why you don't sometimes rattle off with about 50 skills on one single attack while using Ring of Flame Lord and Ring of Resonance! (Those scripts also use "bonus3 bAutoSpell ...") ;D
Hope that helps.
Xan
P.S., The item description really is SO incredibly ambiguous. 
It might as well say "Well, sometimes, when you do stuff, stuff happens! Hardy Har!"
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:01 am |
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| Monochrome wrote: | Tested. I don't have that problem.
I notice a trend, though: Cold Bolt casts more often, although I have cast the others as well.
Not typically after Cold Bolt, either.
What's the problem, again? |
Cold Bolt casts the most often because it's the only bolt Elemental Sword naturally casts by itself. Fire Bolt then comes as a result. The problem is, I REALLY do think all the following bolts are supposed to occur, not just one of them.
| Teh Xanthias wrote: | The thing preventing this from happening is just that, as far as I can tell, a character is limited to one autospell per event: either an attack, or on casting another skill, like with the above scripts.
That would explain why you don't sometimes rattle off with about 50 skills on one single attack while using Ring of Flame Lord and Ring of Resonance! (Those scripts also use "bonus3 bAutoSpell ...") ;D |
I see the logic in this, but I don't know if that is true or not. That's why I'm leaving room for error by saying "official behavior", because I'm NOT sure if this is true or not. On SOME servers, it's not true however, so that's why I'm questioning whether it's a bug/mistake HERE, or official/correct behavior here.
Besides, you may also take into account that the Ring of Flame Lord/Resonance combo's auto-casts have a CHANCE of occuring, and thus they COULD occur together if the chances coincides with each other, but it is not LIKELY to happen at the same time, which is why you don't see it happening often or at all.
That is, I'm assuming, if what you say is untrue. That's what I'd trying to find out. Thanks for the help peoples~
Edit: Oh by the way, the point I was trying to make was that while the RoFL and RoR combo has a CHANCE to activate skills, the follow-up skills from the Elemental Sword have a 100% chance to activate in contrast. Thus they should ALWAYS coincide together, ASSUMING what Xan said was untrue.
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:43 am |
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The first bolt I cast is not always Cold, Adam.
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:57 pm |
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| Monochrome wrote: | | The first bolt I cast is not always Cold, Adam. |
If you have other autocast gears on, then yeah you'll probably cast Fire Bolt/Lightning Bolt and possibly Lightning Bolt/Earth Spike sometimes. But if you ONLY have the Elemental Sword on, then it's DEFINITELY bugged, because it's only supposed to natuarlly autocast Cold Bolt.
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| Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:18 pm |
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Are you saying that when you get an autocasted Cold Bolt while normally attacking (i.e., not using the Cold Bolt skill), it'll also cast one Fire Bolt as well, at least sometimes? Or does autoattacking NEVER yield a Cold Bolt - Fire Bolt combo? (And instead just Cold Bolt like you mentioned)
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| Teh Xanthias wrote: | Are you saying that when you get an autocasted Cold Bolt while normally attacking (i.e., not using the Cold Bolt skill), it'll also cast one Fire Bolt as well, at least sometimes? Or does autoattacking NEVER yield a Cold Bolt - Fire Bolt combo? (And instead just Cold Bolt like you mentioned)
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No, like I'm saying what you were trying to elaborate on before. You said that "as far as you can tell", only ONE autocast can be had from an event (in this case, the natural cold bolt), and that's why only Fire Bolt is cast when Cold Bolt is used (which always happens in my experiences), etc.
However, what I'M trying to say is that I know of SEVERAL places where this is not the case, and ALL 4 bolts would be cast at once when the natural cold bolt activates.
So what I'm trying to ask is whether REIGN'S Elemental Sword is bugged/not scripted properly, or the OTHER servers I have played are incorrect and Reign's version is based on official behavior.
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| GlitchyVirus wrote: | | Teh Xanthias wrote: | Are you saying that when you get an autocasted Cold Bolt while normally attacking (i.e., not using the Cold Bolt skill), it'll also cast one Fire Bolt as well, at least sometimes? Or does autoattacking NEVER yield a Cold Bolt - Fire Bolt combo? (And instead just Cold Bolt like you mentioned)
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No, like I'm saying what you were trying to elaborate on before. You said that "as far as you can tell", only ONE autocast can be had from an event (in this case, the natural cold bolt), and that's why only Fire Bolt is cast when Cold Bolt is used (which always happens in my experiences), etc.
However, what I'M trying to say is that I know of SEVERAL places where this is not the case, and ALL 4 bolts would be cast at once when the natural cold bolt activates.
So what I'm trying to ask is whether REIGN'S Elemental Sword is bugged/not scripted properly, or the OTHER servers I have played are incorrect and Reign's version is based on official behavior. |
OK, awesome! Thanks for clearing that up for me. We'll need a final word from Luzz on the matter, but it looks like the script itself is legitimate, as it reflects what the eAthena database still has down for the Elemental Sword...
Xan
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| All 4 bolts at once?! Sounds like a lot of hurt :p |
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| Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:57 am |
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| Trashy Flowers wrote: | | All 4 bolts at once?! Sounds like a lot of hurt :p |
Assuming an autocast of level 3 Cold Bolt, there would be 3x4=12 bolts being casted. However, this does not mean it's essentially a "level 12 bolt skill", but it's more powerful than that.
Consider using a level 12 Fire Bolt on an LK with a Valk Shield on. Damage would be 1200% of your matk (100% x 12 Bolts). However, Valk Shield reduces fire by 20%, so they are actually only 80%, leaving you with 960% damage.
BUT, consider using level 3 Cold/Fire/Lightning Bolt/Earth Spike at the same time on the same LK. Damage WOULD still be 1200%, HOWEVER, the shield reduces only PART of the damage, not ALL of it (Only the fire and water portions). Thus the damage would be 240%+240%+300%+300%=1080% damage.
Also, because of magic's variable nature, the multiple casting of bolts may also maximize your damage (though can also minimize it).
Will it hurt once it's correctly implemented? Yes, it definitely will.
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