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Do you feel that the Ruwatch blindfold is OP?
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A. Ruwach is more annoying and effective than heavens drive. Why?
Ruwach is not immunable. Heavens Drive is

B. Ruwach is still very effective even without Maya P. Why?
Once you find a target (Sinx) your locked onto him. Why?
It does dmg, creates flinch, and if the Sinx tries to cloak and run, LKs also have faster movement speed.
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Creation wrote:

B. Ruwach is still very effective even without Maya P.


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Alright so it's not Broken, it's a fair item then why did it have to be ruwatch? it could have easily just been sight i mean they both do the same thing that everyone wants, and that is to reveal cloaked and hidden character. So would it be too much to ask that it switched to Sight instead of ruwatch would many of you care then?

I mean all you want is to reveal hidden characters so make it sight, because u can get that skill on a card, it's just that, the card takes up a inconvenient spot on your equipment. So make it a bit convenient and put sight on the headgear instead.

cause all you wanna do is reveal a hidden/cloaked character, right?
Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:17 am
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It's probably Ruwach because Horong can already create Sight.
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Picking sections of speech/people in general to respond to.

Creation: A) Let's invent a card to make us "immunable" to Ruwach/Sight then. Will that make you QQ less? B) Stop QQing and adapt. If you can't, you ain't good at SinX/Stalker, so you switch.

jonishan: First, you fail to realize that you can't freakin strip GR off because you have Ahura to FCP you. Who cares if you can't use it in the castle? You never could, that's not the point. The point is that you can BE a one-man army if you wanted without having to dual-client or have a friendly creator. SECOND, "When the black blindfold came along it hindered a job from basically being able to attack efficiently." Adapt, switch, or go away.

Kristy: "Theres a possibility this player is new heh." Not a possibilty, must be a fact.

SWOT: "Most of those have drawbacks to them sp consumption increased," Big freakin woop.

"Pnuema ring u have to be attacked to activate it,(unless of course ur a champ or priest)," Still doesn't mean they aren't shut down.

"Ahura can't be used in WoE castles and i say castles cause people sit outside and FCP everyone, and GR can be Stripped or Broken off." I repeat, you can use ahura to FCP yourself, THUS GR cannot be stripped or broken. Who gives shit if you can't use ahura in a castle, USE IT OUT OF THE CASTLE. /adur

"You forgot assassin and Rouge already have stuff ingame that shuts them down Maya P card and Horong card," Deal with it.

"so why does there need to be a donate that has no draw back, Assassin and rogues already get hindered in WoE with the loss of flee alot of flee." 1)Don't go flee build. 2)Can't use Saiyan Tail, Pussycat Bell, etc. Only one slot. Ugly-ass freakin look. Also, Pnuema does NOT have a draw-back, other than you needing to be less than stupid to use properly. FCP needing a catalyst is not a drawback either. Get off the drugs, bro.

3 Solutions to this problem: Adapt, Switch, or Gtfo.

Finally, Kristy suggested the most sensible "solutions" to this "problem". Just thought I'd say.
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Somewhereoutthere wrote:
Alright so it's not Broken, it's a fair item then why did it have to be ruwatch? it could have easily just been sight i mean they both do the same thing that everyone wants, and that is to reveal cloaked and hidden character. So would it be too much to ask that it switched to Sight instead of ruwatch would many of you care then?

I mean all you want is to reveal hidden characters so make it sight, because u can get that skill on a card, it's just that, the card takes up a inconvenient spot on your equipment. So make it a bit convenient and put sight on the headgear instead.

cause all you wanna do is reveal a hidden/cloaked character, right?


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The trolls comment was meant to all, not just you, I never named your name specifically. Lrn2reading comprehension

Also Soul breaker requires that you are not hidden, and it takes you out of cloaking to cast it.

Grimtooth is the only thing hard countered by Ruwach, and even then they are usually back lining it just like archers, and at that range, Heavens Drive is better than Ruwach.
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:34 am
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Look, Sight is the same thing. it' snot gonna kill anyone if they change the blindfold you still will reveal any cloaked/hidden character.

i would like to hear why it shouldn't be sight, not why you want to keep ruwach.
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Because
1. You can already get Sight
2. Ruwach is not over-powered
3. That sounds like more work than should be applied to this matter. It is very trivial
4. The amount who use this item far outweighs the number of those who do not
5. Removing Ruwach from the blindfold and replacing it with sight will errupt a stronger domino effect, unlike any you could possibly hope to imagine.

First, changing this will force our honor to change the other hats that players don't like. After that will follow the pricing: They're no longer as good, why should they be so expensive? Then comes the regular items.

Foreseen Result: a Reign RO completely devoid of all players.

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GlitchyVirus wrote:
Picking sections of speech/people in general to respond to.

Creation: A) Let's invent a card to make us "immunable" to Ruwach/Sight then. Will that make you QQ less? B) Stop QQing and adapt. If you can't, you ain't good at SinX/Stalker, so you switch.

jonishan: First, you fail to realize that you can't freakin strip GR off because you have Ahura to FCP you. Who cares if you can't use it in the castle? You never could, that's not the point. The point is that you can BE a one-man army if you wanted without having to dual-client or have a friendly creator. SECOND, "When the black blindfold came along it hindered a job from basically being able to attack efficiently." Adapt, switch, or go away.

Kristy: "Theres a possibility this player is new heh." Not a possibilty, must be a fact.

SWOT: "Most of those have drawbacks to them sp consumption increased," Big freakin woop.

"Pnuema ring u have to be attacked to activate it,(unless of course ur a champ or priest)," Still doesn't mean they aren't shut down.

"Ahura can't be used in WoE castles and i say castles cause people sit outside and FCP everyone, and GR can be Stripped or Broken off." I repeat, you can use ahura to FCP yourself, THUS GR cannot be stripped or broken. Who gives shit if you can't use ahura in a castle, USE IT OUT OF THE CASTLE. /adur

"You forgot assassin and Rouge already have stuff ingame that shuts them down Maya P card and Horong card," Deal with it.

"so why does there need to be a donate that has no draw back, Assassin and rogues already get hindered in WoE with the loss of flee alot of flee." 1)Don't go flee build. 2)Can't use Saiyan Tail, Pussycat Bell, etc. Only one slot. Ugly-ass freakin look. Also, Pnuema does NOT have a draw-back, other than you needing to be less than stupid to use properly. FCP needing a catalyst is not a drawback either. Get off the drugs, bro.

3 Solutions to this problem: Adapt, Switch, or Gtfo.

Finally, Kristy suggested the most sensible "solutions" to this "problem". Just thought I'd say.




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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote:
GlitchyVirus wrote:
I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.

"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"

Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.

Solution: lrn2adapt or lrn2switch or lrn2gtfokthxbai Very Happy


+1, learn to adapt.

If your complaints come from WoE, your not supposed to be a one man army. You are supposed to have guild mates to back you up and cover your main weakness. Go ahead, no really go look at ALL the GTB threads ever made on this forum. Whining about a tiny insignificant donate wont change THAT much, and if ANYTHING needs to be changed, It should be GTB over something like ruwach.

Ruwach does not make your class useless, it hinders you.
FCP does not make stalkers useless, it hinders them.
GTB does make some mage classes useless, but they still adapt and have allies to cover their weakness.
Ghostring does not make Pally/Creator/Champ useless. Ask FullMoon, Adam, Chardonay, Alucard Vladmere, Winks, anyone really etc...
Pnuema does not make archer classes useless. Certainly not in any aspect aside from straight damage dealing. They can still Trap, cast Detect, etc etc etc...


This is not about being a one man army, i mean last time i checked SinX's aren't the ones barreling through castles at ridicules speeds (because sleiphnir stacks with a peco) completely ignoring other players just so they can get to the EMP and take it. Not to mention i love how you guys are stating certain hindrances that certain classes have and i have yet to hear of one for LK's that's probably why they are the most OP class on the server at the moment, i mean god forbid you take away one thing that is useful for this class which in its self is already OP.And like u said WOE is supposed to be about using a variety of classes to cover your weaknesses, so why would u need a champ's, or priest's ruwach if u can just do it yourself or even a wizard's sight, and a sniper's detect. I mean if we were talking about being a one man army this would contribute to it.
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Somewhereoutthere wrote:
Look, Sight is the same thing. it' snot gonna kill anyone if they change the blindfold you still will reveal any cloaked/hidden character.

i would like to hear why it shouldn't be sight, not why you want to keep ruwach.


As simple as leave it as it is, my 2 cents would be.

If you did said the ruwatch and sight is the same, why do you want to change it then? matter of losing 1 accessory slot?

But, if you think sighting enemies that is hidden = Overpowered.
That's even easier. Remove Horong + Black Blindfold at once.

Because for me, I don't really see the way OP it is as it is. Every class got their own futile and fragility. And it doesn't seems fair if you only saying this revealing stuff as the one matters. Zerked LK, Pneuma-ed Champs, Whole class with GTB?

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Monochrome wrote:
Because
1. You can already get Sight
2. Ruwach is not over-powered
3. That sounds like more work than should be applied to this matter. It is very trivial
4. The amount who use this item far outweighs the number of those who do not
5. Removing Ruwach from the blindfold and replacing it with sight will errupt a stronger domino effect, unlike any you could possibly hope to imagine.

First, changing this will force our honor to change the other hats that players don't like. After that will follow the pricing: They're no longer as good, why should they be so expensive? Then comes the regular items.

Foreseen Result: a Reign RO completely devoid of all players.

Sometimes it's better not to question the sun's brightness, and just thank it for its warmth.



1 .yes u can get sight from a card but does anyone use it??? removing ingame items to make it more convenient to players. ok works
2. never said ruwach was over powered all i said a head equip with it is
3. very trivial to people who don't play classes who cloak/hide
4. who doesn't use this item? combo'd with MayaP ur pretty much set
5.your right by changing this your right people will start saying well why doesn't this do this or why doesn't this change but isn't that how the blindfold came to be???

And you know, when there is a tree blocking that sun, then your not feeling warmth.
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Your tree analogy actually doesn't hold any ground here, since the Sun is not the game, and thus the tree(Ruwach) can not be blocking it.

The sun was a metaphor for the players.
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