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| GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: |
GTB does make some mage classes useless, but they still adapt and have allies to cover their weakness.
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What you are saying relates to the character itself, not having back up. ;x So yes..the Mage Class is basically useless against GTB...Unless you decide to use a High Wizards Melee Attacks, Magic Crasher, and Gravitational Field. Though those get you basically no where. Just pointing out something before someone jumps down your throat, the rest of what you said about the Classes is right. Just would like to point that out.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:33 am |
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| GlitchyVirus wrote: | I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.
"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"
Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.
Solution: lrn2adapt or lrn2switch or lrn2gtfokthxbai  |
Adam is full of win :O
You all need to speak for yourselves, I've played Sinx and Stalker before in woe and really ruwach has never been a huge rage issue to me. It's called stay away from the LK's since that's seems to be the only class you're truly worried about. Like Dreadnaught said, WoE is about teamwork...not rushing by yourselves. Have another LK engage enemy LK while you go pick off different targets. It's really about choosing your battles carefully.
Has this topic even been brought up before? If not, why now all of the sudden? |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:37 am |
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| MrFailgasm wrote: | | GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: |
GTB does make some mage classes useless, but they still adapt and have allies to cover their weakness.
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What you are saying relates to the character itself, not having back up. ;x So yes..the Mage Class is basically useless against GTB...Unless you decide to use a High Wizards Melee Attacks, Magic Crasher, and Gravitational Field. Though those get you basically no where. Just pointing out something before someone jumps down your throat, the rest of what you said about the Classes is right. Just would like to point that out. |
Try a melee professor, its not half bad and doe shave functionality.
As for ACTUAL mages, well yeah their kinda of screwed, but sightblaster is hilarious.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:38 am |
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| Leilani wrote: | | GlitchyVirus wrote: | I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.
"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"
Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.
Solution: lrn2adapt or lrn2switch or lrn2gtfokthxbai |
Adam is full of win :O
You all need to speak for yourselves, I've played Sinx and Stalker before in woe and really ruwach has never been a huge rage issue to me. It's called stay away from the LK's since that's seems to be the only class you're truly worried about. Like Dreadnaught said, WoE is about teamwork...not rushing by yourselves. Have another LK engage enemy LK while you go pick off different targets. It's really about choosing your battles carefully.
Has this topic even been brought up before? If not, why now all of the sudden? |
This topic has not been brought up before, and is brought up now because this player has finally looked into it today and possibly did testings on it, finding it argravating. Is there an issue for why it or why not it was brought up now? Just a question.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:40 am |
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| It just seems like a common thing for people to be in woe or pvp and get beat by some skill repeatedly and decide it's OP based on that, which isn't right. I'm not saying that's the case here, I just find it weird that if it's such a hindrance to 2 classes that a decent amount of people play, why was it never brought up before ? :O |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:42 am |
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| GlitchyVirus wrote: | I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.
"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"
Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.
Solution: lrn2adapt or lrn2switch or lrn2gtfokthxbai |
Most of those have drawbacks to them sp consumption increased, Pnuema ring u have to be attacked to activate it,(unless of course ur a champ or priest), Ahura can't be used in WoE castles and i say castles cause people sit outside and FCP everyone, and GR can be Stripped or Broken off.
You forgot assassin and Rouge already have stuff ingame that shuts them down Maya P card and Horong card, so why does there need to be a donate that has no draw back, Assassin and rogues already get hindered in WoE with the loss of flee alot of flee. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:44 am |
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Theres a possibility this player is new heh. Or discovering something new because they hadn't come across this problem till now. Theres many things that can answer your question of why and what, etc. But I don't think it's entirely important.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:45 am |
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| MrFailgasm wrote: | | Theres a possibility this player is new heh. Or discovering something new because they hadn't come across this problem till now. Theres many things that can answer your question of why and what, etc. But I don't think it's entirely important. |
K
This is why I don't put my 2 cents in anymore really ^^ |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:48 am |
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| jonishan wrote: |
Basically the blindfold shafted assassin cross and limited stalkers to certain builds. Caused the use of other classes in woe to become limited because there are just some jobs who put ruwach to better use right. |
So we have
Emp Breaker builds,
Killing builds,
Scouting builds,
Grimtooth Builds (they do exist)
Soul Breaker builds
Which ones are being shafted so horribly? and before you say grimtooth, Heavens Drive from a mage screws that build over A LOT more than Ruwach does, no exceptions.
Also Ruwach should never be a problem for stalkers, I never had a problem with it on my stalker way back when I used to main him, and if I did it was because it was 2v1, or 3V1, me being the one, the 2 or 3 being a Mage + any class with Ruwach, and I played a 77K HP stalker.
Good grief if you people are going to half ass troll, atleast use your main accounts and dont be afraid of backlash.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:11 am |
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jonishan
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Please do not attack a persons intentions in a argument as a way to disprove them. Its bad logic if you can prove with actual fact that the black blindfold has not caused the diminish in assassin cross use in woe then that's fine. Even without the black blindfold assassin crosses where far from being a one man army however they where able to give most other close combat jobs a run for their money even a lord knight.
If you think about it there is no other donation item other then ahura mazda (which only prevented strip and breaking of weapon, which there are cards out there that auto cast breaking or strip. SO it wasn't only stalkers creators and blacksmiths that where prevented and they can all still do fine in woe.) When the black blindfold came along it hindered a job from basically being able to attack efficiently. It allowed powerful close combat and range to reveal, flinch and attack these jobs first before they can or even keep them at bay and utterly destroy them. making these jobs basically a one man army themselves because they don't need anyone else to help them handle certain other jobs. The ahura mazda is unfair to everyone the black blindfold is unfair to assassin cross and stalker only and keeps them from being the full on threat they used to be. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:21 am |
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| jonishan wrote: | The black blindfold creates and unfair advantage that prevents assassin cross and stalkers from preforming at their max in woe. Already in woe everyone's flee is cut and thus a job like assassin and stalker are already singled out because their ability to avoid hits is gone. When itachi said "what come to mind is be prepared" that used to apply to these powerful jobs such as lord knights paladins and creators who had to equip a horwrong card and give up a meg or other accessory so they could reveal as well as sight wasn't to much of a problem because it didn't prevent the assassin cross from moving for a second.
To say be prepared is easy to actually have the ability to be prepared is an other problem all together. There is really nothing a assassin could do to be prepared against a lord knight with ruwach. To me the black blindfold was suggested by someone who didn't want the hassle of preparing. As well as they wanted to luxury fight everyone (i mean everyone) on what they thought would be fair terms but not give up equipment they originally used on their character. common the mid head gear wasn't nearly as important as it is now and its really only because u can get ruwach on a job you play that has trouble with classes that can cloak or hide.
So now someone playing a assassin or a stalker that isn't ranged is easily and quickly picked off because they are prevented from getting up to the target and attacking because ruwach causes them to be revealed, flinch, and the lord knight, paladin or creator can have their way with them very quickly and come out of the situation on top.
This the black blindfold also diminished the use of champions, wizards, snipers, and sages in woe for revealing hidden characters because now a lord knight who doesn't have to worry about gtb, penuma, or gr/devil preventing his dmg can reveal just as easily and take care of the threat. So the already useless feeling wizards,sage and champs are not seen in woe very much. Snipers are only used for setting traps so they are a second character on an other account that the same player plays. Wizards are only used if they can spam cast without delay.
To handle some rebuttals that may come up. Some may say the black blindfold was created to stop zurg rushing assassins how ever if you have multiple classes working for you in woe like a wizard they can easily handle them easily. As for maya purple card even thou that card allows you to see them it does not let you reveal them unless you have a skill that can do so. lord knights should be using magnum break to reveal them instead of giving them a no thought build where they can just turn on ruwach and bowling bash as soon as enemy is revealed. Now Champions can do this and why because they where made to help reveal the hidden target and let their guild mates handle it or if the champ can they can handle it.
Basically the blindfold shafted assassin cross and limited stalkers to certain builds. Caused the use of other classes in woe to become limited because there are just some jobs who put ruwach to better use right. |
That's the only thing I read, and I will not read more because you did not read what I said. GTB gives an unfair advantage against magic. FCP gives an unfair advantage against Strip. Pnuema gives an unfair advantage against range. GR gives an unfair advantage against Creator/Pally/Asura Champ/Final Strike Ninja. So stfu and work around it. If you can't, then sucks for you.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:32 am |
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Technically, Maya Purple did a better job at hindering the entire Thief race than the Black Blindfold's Ruwach(Roo-Wok) ever could.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:33 am |
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| Monochrome wrote: | | Technically, Maya Purple did a better job at hindering the entire Thief race than the Black Blindfold's Ruwach(Roo-Wok) ever could. |
This.
I always pronounced it "Roo-watch" o_o
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:35 am |
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| jonishan wrote: | | The ahura mazda is unfair to everyone the black blindfold is unfair to assassin cross and stalker only and keeps them from being the full on threat they used to be. |
I dont see how its unfair other than to people who can not buy it.
As for Black Blindfold, how does it STOP you from flat out doing your job?
Does it makes you stay in one place and unable to move?
Does it make all your skills disabled?
Black blindfold itself is not broken from Ruwach or its spammability.
Black blindfold is only useful because of things like Maya Purple Card, that tells the enemy where you are so you can be ruwach'd. That actual item itself is in no way shape or form broken. When its combined with other things it can be made so though.
And even then, its not that broken, it just makes you visible, thats it, I dont see how it hinders anything a class can do ASIDE from Grimtooth. Thats the only thing that Ruwach screws over, and Heavens drive does that job better.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:38 am |
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| GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | | jonishan wrote: |
Basically the blindfold shafted assassin cross and limited stalkers to certain builds. Caused the use of other classes in woe to become limited because there are just some jobs who put ruwach to better use right. |
So we have
Emp Breaker builds,
Killing builds,
Scouting builds,
Grimtooth Builds (they do exist)
Soul Breaker builds
Which ones are being shafted so horribly? and before you say grimtooth, Heavens Drive from a mage screws that build over A LOT more than Ruwach does, no exceptions.
Also Ruwach should never be a problem for stalkers, I never had a problem with it on my stalker way back when I used to main him, and if I did it was because it was 2v1, or 3V1, me being the one, the 2 or 3 being a Mage + any class with Ruwach, and I played a 77K HP stalker.
Good grief if you people are going to half ass troll, atleast use your main accounts and dont be afraid of backlash. |
Thanks for taking what i said out of context. And calling me a troll; it isn't a great way to prove your point. However i believe most of those builds really shine when defending a castle(grims tooth. soul breaker). The emp breaker can take a castle as long as it can get threw will out someone revealing them and killing them or if the castle isn't being defended. A scout is really just built as an other character the same person has to see when someone is coming threw the castle. No one who's main is a assassin cross is a scout on purpose. That is not a build that is a dummy with a camera on it. The Killing build was shafted because they can no longer like I've said get the jump on a target like before they do as well as they are hindered from moving when ruwach hits them. The soul breaker i believe can be decent with its fellow guild mates when taking a castle but they will be shafted like creators and other ranged by penuma if the guild has a priest or champ with em~ |
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