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| cake wrote: | | Grandpa- I understand that people work hard for their cards, but I don't understand how can some one state that Bragi and Kiels are the same. Since they're not. There are plenty of argument that involved Rares, but never once it been approve by Luzz since he doesn't want to change the game play. |
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"This will remain as close to official as possible." Argument.
Sure it can try and do that but its gonna be imbalanced as all hell, and people are gonna whine tons, and some may even abuse the whiners for whims and giggles.
Right now however, the only "Balancing" people are trying to do is fixing whats stopping them from completely killing people in 2 second flat, nothing else is important, just the fact that they cant kill people like they used to way back when is.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:17 am |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | cake wrote: | NightShade: Bragi does not equal Kiels. Kiels is an item Bragi is another person or dual account. Therefore, they're not the same. If they're the same then why are people still hunting kiels? Why are people paying so much for Kiel, but not gear up a Clown for Bragi? If you truly think they're the same why are you using kiel, but not a clown? Clown is a fragile class. I think it's clear enough that they're not the same. People will not stop complaining about Kiels; why not find a compromise between the two parties.
Leilani: If you haven't notice that Luzz stated that his decision is not set in stone. If you want to stop this then you don't need to post. I opening this thread to gather people opinion over Luzz's decision. |
For your Kiels/Bragi comment. Kiels allow you to be free of a clown. However a clown is perfectly fine to have. We used it for months check the SOS PVP video and our WOE video. In fact youre right to say they are not the same, with bragi I get more head gear slots and less status problems...
Also just because you have Kiels, or use bragi doesnt make you good. Many people found that out when we left and sold our cards the first time. They only help if you know how to use them properly. You can spam a skill doesnt mean you're gonna win.
People should stop QQing about Kiels, its a card and its hard to get. Healing items on the other hand are very easy to get. |
I wasn't attacking SoS alone. After you left there was still post about kiels being overpowering. Kiel itself is a hard card to get therefore everybody want their money or time worth. It's true the Bragi will give people more headgear slot, but it will also be the downfall of a battle when the clown is kill. It's true that it take skill to play a certain class. Isn't that why so many people are against certain people in the Reign community, but not all the people with Rares? Healing Item are still to achieve, but it's because they don't last forever. (Assuming Reign last forever) A clown's bragi does not necessary equal kiels because you can kill one person and the whole spamming groups is down. I want to see if there a way to compromise between the different opinion. Not trying to provoke into a let's blame people with Rares. |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:19 am |
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| cake wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | cake wrote: | NightShade: Bragi does not equal Kiels. Kiels is an item Bragi is another person or dual account. Therefore, they're not the same. If they're the same then why are people still hunting kiels? Why are people paying so much for Kiel, but not gear up a Clown for Bragi? If you truly think they're the same why are you using kiel, but not a clown? Clown is a fragile class. I think it's clear enough that they're not the same. People will not stop complaining about Kiels; why not find a compromise between the two parties.
Leilani: If you haven't notice that Luzz stated that his decision is not set in stone. If you want to stop this then you don't need to post. I opening this thread to gather people opinion over Luzz's decision. |
For your Kiels/Bragi comment. Kiels allow you to be free of a clown. However a clown is perfectly fine to have. We used it for months check the SOS PVP video and our WOE video. In fact youre right to say they are not the same, with bragi I get more head gear slots and less status problems...
Also just because you have Kiels, or use bragi doesnt make you good. Many people found that out when we left and sold our cards the first time. They only help if you know how to use them properly. You can spam a skill doesnt mean you're gonna win.
People should stop QQing about Kiels, its a card and its hard to get. Healing items on the other hand are very easy to get. |
I wasn't attacking SoS alone. After you left there was still post about kiels being overpowering. Kiel itself is a hard card to get therefore everybody want their money or time worth. It's true the Bragi will give people more headgear slot, but it will also be the downfall of a battle when the clown is kill. It's true that it take skill to play a certain class. Isn't that why so many people are against certain people in the Reign community, but not all the people with Rares? Healing Item are still to achieve, but it's because they don't last forever. (Assuming Reign last forever) A clown's bragi does not necessary equal kiels because you can kill one person and the whole spamming groups is down. I want to see if there a way to compromise between the different opinion. Not trying to provoke into a let's blame people with Rares. |
I didnt see an attack on SOS, I simply stated we used bragi for a while, and you learn to protect the clown. Once you learn that skill its pretty much let the bragi follow you around and keep it alive routine. Kiels allow you to be free and mobile thats the only difference between them. You are no longer on guard duty, youre on attack duty.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:24 am |
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| GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | | cake wrote: | | Grandpa- I understand that people work hard for their cards, but I don't understand how can some one state that Bragi and Kiels are the same. Since they're not. There are plenty of argument that involved Rares, but never once it been approve by Luzz since he doesn't want to change the game play. |
Its the
"This will remain as close to official as possible." Argument.
Sure it can try and do that but its gonna be imbalanced as all hell, and people are gonna whine tons, and some may even abuse the whiners for whims and giggles.
Right now however, the only "Balancing" people are trying to do is fixing whats stopping them from completely killing people in 2 second flat, nothing else is important, just the fact that they cant kill people like they used to way back when is. |
Who is this "They"???
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:29 am |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | | cake wrote: | | Grandpa- I understand that people work hard for their cards, but I don't understand how can some one state that Bragi and Kiels are the same. Since they're not. There are plenty of argument that involved Rares, but never once it been approve by Luzz since he doesn't want to change the game play. |
Its the
"This will remain as close to official as possible." Argument.
Sure it can try and do that but its gonna be imbalanced as all hell, and people are gonna whine tons, and some may even abuse the whiners for whims and giggles.
Right now however, the only "Balancing" people are trying to do is fixing whats stopping them from completely killing people in 2 second flat, nothing else is important, just the fact that they cant kill people like they used to way back when is. |
Who is this "They"??? |
ya know what I am not sure, "They" lived around 500 BC, then left then came back in 1500 AD, and right now They are on mars smiling and waving @ me in a coal cart.
You tell me =D
They are also believed to be before Egypt came around, but thats just silly.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:31 am |
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Aaaand this thread just went from semi-reasonable to ridiculous rather fast. I'm out. Bye guys.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:41 am |
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Stop flaming each other. Night if you see yourself as an adult then don't argue with a child. It take two to tango.
I still there should be some type of agreement between the delay of pancake. Since it's not like everybody is happy with the current agreement.
The kiel is just one overpowering cards, Glen stated that 3 kiels is a waste. So maybe a compromise of limited into 2 kiels is not going to be as bad as it sound. |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:44 am |
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This is what I can't stand. Steve, knock it off with the drama. No one needs it or wants it and yet you can't get this through your skull. You need to LET ALL OF THIS die. You are the only one who still keeps it going because you have nothing better to do. Just stop.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:47 am |
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Currently cleaning up this thread.
*sweep* *sweep*
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:58 am |
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| luzz wrote: | Currently cleaning up this thread.
*sweep* *sweep* |
Awe Luzz is cleaning up
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| luzz wrote: | Currently cleaning up this thread.
*sweep* *sweep* |
Janitorial God Luzz is here to save the day! He will extinguish the troll vomit with his magic saw dust of truth! He will wipe up the spills of mud flinging with his powerful industrial spray cleaner (w/ oxi clean!)
Hooray Luzz!
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:03 am |
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I will go off-topic for a moment:
Personally, I do not care what type of drama two (or more) players wish to bestow upon themselves. Any player who wants to use their time and energy to entertain THEMSELVES with their pointless drama - be my guest. Do it on your own time, with your own energy, in PRIVATE. Waste your own time, waste your own energy, tango the night away.
The moment it is brought out into the public, after I specifically stated to keep it personal and private, it becomes a COLOSSAL waste of my time.
I respect players enough to tell them to keep it private. I do not believe in being harsh. However, I expect players to respect me enough to not waste my time as well.
Players, please keep this in mind, as you all conduct your daily forum and in-game activities.
That all said - please do not respond to what I wrote above.
Regarding the issue at hand - yes, you all are free to discuss this further. Again, I personally do not have a preference. If anything, I think nothing should be done. Once the pancakes are all used up, this is a moot point. However, if a change is desired, it should solve this issue now, and for the future.
Players who are so adverse to a trial period - again, I ask 'Why?' Trialing is the only way players can experience the change, then say 'It is too long' or 'It is too short' or 'Remove it completely'. How can you know what it is like if you do not give it a go?
Also - regarding the poll - I do not think it is clear what Yay and Nay refers to. If the original poster can clarify this, it would help everyone voice their opinion.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:18 am |
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When will the trial begin? Will it be test during WoE, if yes, then what will happen to people that depend on pancake to defend their castle. With the new cast delay, there a high chance they will lose the castle, and this is just a trial. There should be some sort of compromise before anything should be tested. In my opinion
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| cake wrote: | When will the trial begin? Will it be test during WoE, if yes, then what will happen to people that depend on pancake to defend their castle. With the new cast delay, there a high chance they will lose the castle, and this is just a trial. There should be some sort of compromise before anything should be tested. In my opinion
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i think the 3 second delay is the compromise. 50% want pancakes/giggles/healing items gone completely. 50% dont. so there is your compromise..delay so you cant spam those things like mad. As luzz stated in a prior thread..this will just lead to the retreat/heal strategy. (one i happen to use often being a low vit sniper)
as for those who depend on pancakes to defend their castles....and those who depend on them to raid a castle....i think this trial will just force people to think outside the box and find a new strategy. Where there is a will, there is way. i have seen my guilds (past and current) lose and gain castles due to pancakes but i wouldnt say that's the only or main reason our castles were lost or gained. It all comes back to having an effective strategy, regardless of the healing items you use. I think most people who "depend" on those pancakes are merely cutting themselves short and using it as a "security blanket" so to speak. Maybe taking them away will allow them to reach their full potential. not to mention i wont feel so much like an idiot when i'm carrying 50+ gigs and fail to use them in the heat of battle. (yes i've done that numerous times...and died because of my idiocy xD)
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:47 am |
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There's strategy to Woe? its not just stacking MVP's and masses of bodies and traps and mages and alchemists and sinx's spamming garbage?
This is news to me, when did this happen?
I was not aware I could open a secret passage and appear behind the entire army, and could flank them all.
j/k/j/k
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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