[NightShade]

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

OK my brain is out of business books and onto this stuff.

I disagree with points 1-3 (Would change #1, Change #2, Dont know on #3) and here is why.

#1:
Current EMP break speed by a Class A Breaker SinX is about 4-5 seconds.

This is a problem, but I would test a 2 Mill HP EMP before going as drastic as 10 or 15 Mill, it can take a LK, about one to two minutes or more to break one Emp, at 2 Mill it could be 3-5 minutes for one Emp, anything past 2-3 Mill is punishing other classes more than the root problem (The SinX). Emps have fine HP I think, and 2 M would be a welcome testing amount, but the main problem lies in SinX's themselves, not the EMP's.

#2:
I agree sometimes traps seem meaningless, but if the traps had "More HP" this would be pretty easy to test out and see if it works, its just finding the right code and modding traps HP values. Making them 100% indestructible is again, a bit too far I think, although there are other ways around it, its just a bit to radical to do right off the bat . That does not apply to me though, I just hoover all the traps like a vacuum. (+9000 to whoever gets this joke)

#3 :
I already spoke on this earlier, what caused this was AD doing over 9000000000 damage a hit, and what combated that was a very good healing item that was as spammable as acid demo/AD+Kiels was. Ad is still spammable, even without Kiels.

I dont want to speak more on this, because I feel one can not be affected without changing the other as well for balances sake, and I wouldnt know where to start on that. And if you dare say "I have never once said in all my RO years, God damn Acid Demo" well I have no suitable words for you.
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[Omega]

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

To bypass it is dirt easy, RIGHT NOW, but this is assuming Pnuema clips stay @ 5% and are not changed.


Both happening at once is risky business, and might lead to bad horizons I think, I am not 100% sure, Im just weighing in concerns, not solid facts.

As for a Zerking LK, I thought you couldn't use ANYTHING in Zerk no? (Guess who does not play a LK.) And if you can still use them, Zerk needs to be fixed so you cant spam healing items while in it.
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[AbaraiGirl]

Would just be nice to see more guild vs guild battles in WoE. Like last wednesday and earlier today. Very exciting and lots of fun. Even when I died...it was just a blast to be out there.

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Like I said, Im not 100% sure what to do about it XD

(Lucky you X_X I still need skin graphs from all the acid they threw at me ;_; )
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[Omega]

[Omega]

[Bubbaknoxz]

New guy got spunk... I like it .

The ideas, I like em, wish something would have been mentioned about ppl who use FCP with the Ahura outside the castle. Thats what creators are for, but let me not troll your topic.

The only one I don't like is the GTB one, reason is I have one, and I like hearing the QQ in town by wizzy's. Could I give a compromise... MAYBE... Let me sleep on it.
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Retired 3-19-11

[Toft]

Snipers only trap in WoE? Clearly, you guys must suck hard at Snipers.

Changing GTB? Why not change Hydra too so it does 10% instead of 20%? Naah.

Body Relo. in WoE? A couple of Champions could take a castle from 30 people then.

Indestructible Traps? There was a reason it was changed, no? To get past that, you'd need Snipers/Stalkers and Champions/Priests to remove them and Pneuma, and they'd probably all need GTB, but by the time the traps are gone, you're 'gone' too.

More Hp? What it's on right now sounds about right, about the same amount of time it takes for someone on iRO to break the Emperium.


You people need to use that brain you were born with.

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

@First post

1:
Well I might be more comfy sitting at 3 Mill for the starting then, just not 10 or 15 right off the bat.

2:
I know but that was just a concern. A negligible one because IT CAN be countered, but eh just thoughts nagging the back of my head.


(This is to the second post as well)
3:
Well thats just it sadly, it depends on your gears 100%, to force it one way is unfair to those without said gears, even if they do have a thread in marketplace paying more than usual to obtain "certain" gears. To leave it unchecked is as you said, unfair to AD users however there are counters.

I know there are weapon cards that make you do XX% more damage to ghost property, whether that applies through things like Acid demo though idk, just check RMS for it. There are also snipers with Immaterial Arrows, SG for freezing GR users, full stripping, verters, elemental weapons, etc...

There are many counters to GR+Deviling through many classes, and thats what WoE is, MANY players doing MANY roles.

All players should not punished because a select few have a GR / Deviling and AD cant touch them as well as normal people, it is more than counter-able without touching healing items.

My stance is unchanged, on this third one, I said I didnt know how to go about this, and doing one thing but not another is unfair, for every action there is (or should be) a equal and opposite reaction.
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[Godfather]

Old fart, stepping up.

Anyone who says anything in this game is "Absolute" or "Unstoppable" clearly hasn't tried everything. In the good ol' days (I say that to secure my role as an old fart), there was no class or tactic that didn't have an appropriate counter. My guild had (minimum) two of every class, and we were all on to fight during WoE. We fought, we held out, we won, we lost, we laughed, we cried.

It's a game. Be creative. Demanding to change things isn't creative.

Also, as for tactics? Here's a fun one: send your own GTB-equipped LKs after your enemies with GTBs. Let the crushing begin.

Though, admittedly, I would love to see the following "insane" change added:
Disable all item-related healing. Only allow healing from healing classes. THAT would be the ultimate "hardmode" for WoE.
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[Treblig888]

its very logical that ppl would go for emp first, it gives their guild the chance to set up their own defense and clear castle foes.

the traps idea i highly dislike...as apart of woe last wednesday for example (just using as example) SOS had a hella defense set up with just traps on floor and just had wizzys, alchy and sniper spam their stuff as the guild attempted to pass traps. if they were indestructable...sadly and highly doubt that anyone would get through. it was a bish was it was tryin to get through all the traps then have to face the guild xD was pretty sweet and good idea. Only real shot to get passed this was using anti-arrow accessory. so ruling that out would devistate the odds for the aggressors.

i can agree with anything else really...as this topic seems to go on and i read further detail i can really see the point in some of your ideas (growing to like because i know wuts its like to lose a whole week and possibly two of hard earned worth of invest)

but those 2 things that i mentioned i will stand by.
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[Toft]

[Bubbaknoxz]