 Topic: Bloody Branches Suggestion (Beezlebub along with others) |
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Totoro
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I'm not that old here on the server.
But I see the point of killing down the price.
Economy is every private server issues, by doing this we actually being helpful to another.
Why?
With more of non-mvp room is spawned with your Bloody Branch, gives you a higher chance of getting cards that are not in mvp arena
The more cards in circulation, the less people can really use :
S>Kiel, Thana @mail me and thus using @aw US$ Offer only.
And It makes people who crushing the economy with S>Rare MVP 200GC is the lowest offer, less in circulation.
More cards, more benefits towards the player, and the server.
What the dork virus said that
| Quote: | *cough cough* Too late, half the server hates SOS when WoE comes.*Not one of them*
But to the point, im not going to read the first 3 pages.
Here is my opinion.
Cheaper donates = Less money for server.
Cheaper Branches = More cards= Less people donating for BB.
Less people donating= Server loosing money.
Server loosing money = It might have to close.
It having to close = A problem.
So shut up okes, Luzz made it very fair.
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Is actually wrong. Get the Idea Dork Virus,
More cards = More players; More players who have fun = They donate themselves.
No private servers can stand alone with no donation, but hey. As long as I've been here. I never see ANYTHING that this server did, to attract donator or force them to be. It's donation, more cards or not.
I'm not voting my self, yet. But from what I write over here. I guess you guys know what will I choose. I'm not towards anyone, but for those who blindly vote, we are open forum. Tell us reasons of why yes/no is not that hard. =)
Before the train quote started, you are not a kid anymore. Don't make suggestion thread into flaming events for Guild, Friends, or even Race if you all that even.
We got no Rant Thread Section on this forum board. If you only want to flame without thinking the consequences, long run and such. Create new poll for people to vote on making a Rant Thread Section, only to please your ego.
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| Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:06 pm |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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| PhantomBlood wrote: |
Closing Statement: I don't log on reign to feel like I've arrived to a stressful day at work, I know none of you do either. Bury the hatchet and think what's best for the server and not for yourselves as individuals. |
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:15 am |
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Maico
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| Totoro wrote: |
More cards = More players; More players who have fun = They donate themselves.
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This is kinda like saying more money = more prosperity for everyone = better nation, which isnt true in fact its just the opposite. The top 1% ends up with most of that money while the bottom 50% becomes poorer and poorer just based on inflation let alone other contributing factors.
More cards wont do anyone any good if only the top tier or top donating players can get their hands on them. It creates an air of elitism that actually scares away new players. Besides this is a medium rate server and again cards are NOT supposed to be easy to obtain. certain cards are meant to only appear once every month or more (IE kiel)
If this is about wanting more cards then of course no
If this is about fixing the economy of reign there are better ways.
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:48 am |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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IRL Economics != game economics
Although any other ways of "fixing" the economy have been shot down. |
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:55 am |
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Totoro
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| Maico wrote: | | Totoro wrote: |
More cards = More players; More players who have fun = They donate themselves.
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This is kinda like saying more money = more prosperity for everyone = better nation, which isnt true in fact its just the opposite. The top 1% ends up with most of that money while the bottom 50% becomes poorer and poorer just based on inflation let alone other contributing factors.
More cards wont do anyone any good if only the top tier or top donating players can get their hands on them. It creates an air of elitism that actually scares away new players. Besides this is a medium rate server and again cards are NOT supposed to be easy to obtain. certain cards are meant to only appear once every month or more (IE kiel)
If this is about wanting more cards then of course no
If this is about fixing the economy of reign there are better ways. |
Just read it clearly, before making any comments.
The current economy is what you write up there, why?
Because at the current situation, it's possible to the seller to charged waaaay up high. Because only few got the cards, thus pushing those desperate buyer to *give in* on what they wanted.
The current economy Leaves poor sprites poor, and rich sprites rich.
The suggestion is, removing room MVP from the bloody branch.
And you're not even commenting based on what I said.
More cards = LESS real money floating, LESS GC charged.
Less GC Charged = Economy crushed.
Current seller can't get whay they want, which *mentally* forced them to lower the prices. Isn't that what we want? Or you prefer blame it on some guild, taking cards, rich kid, and stuff like that? [ I'll leave it to your opinion]
People gets card easier than before, and more likely, attract new comer who will be like?
example :
OMG, thana here only cost that? In my previous server it cost me $xxx. Reign is so fun. And we have a chance to get thana too! Not that top tier donator only, mwahahaha.
ReignRO is low-mid rate server, card is not that easy to obtain like what I did in high rate server. Decreasing the script on current Bloody Branch, not likely we will end up with kiel, or w/e we wants faster because the drop rate is the key. Not the mvp.
Thus, don't keep on donator this donator that, I seen few players who didn't donate and ends up with uber cards. Or even having 190GC.
Now, back to the topic, removing the MVP room from BB. :S
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:55 am |
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marine
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| Totoro wrote: | | Maico wrote: | | Totoro wrote: |
More cards = More players; More players who have fun = They donate themselves.
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This is kinda like saying more money = more prosperity for everyone = better nation, which isnt true in fact its just the opposite. The top 1% ends up with most of that money while the bottom 50% becomes poorer and poorer just based on inflation let alone other contributing factors.
More cards wont do anyone any good if only the top tier or top donating players can get their hands on them. It creates an air of elitism that actually scares away new players. Besides this is a medium rate server and again cards are NOT supposed to be easy to obtain. certain cards are meant to only appear once every month or more (IE kiel)
If this is about wanting more cards then of course no
If this is about fixing the economy of reign there are better ways. |
Just read it clearly, before making any comments.
The current economy is what you write up there, why?
Because at the current situation, it's possible to the seller to charged waaaay up high. Because only few got the cards, thus pushing those desperate buyer to *give in* on what they wanted.
The current economy Leaves poor sprites poor, and rich sprites rich.
The suggestion is, removing room MVP from the bloody branch.
And you're not even commenting based on what I said.
More cards = LESS real money floating, LESS GC charged.
Less GC Charged = Economy crushed.
Current seller can't get whay they want, which *mentally* forced them to lower the prices. Isn't that what we want? Or you prefer blame it on some guild, taking cards, rich kid, and stuff like that? [ I'll leave it to your opinion]
People gets card easier than before, and more likely, attract new comer who will be like?
example :
OMG, thana here only cost that? In my previous server it cost me $xxx. Reign is so fun. And we have a chance to get thana too! Not that top tier donator only, mwahahaha.
ReignRO is low-mid rate server, card is not that easy to obtain like what I did in high rate server. Decreasing the script on current Bloody Branch, not likely we will end up with kiel, or w/e we wants faster because the drop rate is the key. Not the mvp.
Thus, don't keep on donator this donator that, I seen few players who didn't donate and ends up with uber cards. Or even having 190GC.
Now, back to the topic, removing the MVP room from BB. :S
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:32 am |
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I played in both private and official servers. It is proven that at some point economy worsens.. I think it is not a solution to have a higher chance of getting big time MVP cards (by eliminating MVP room bosses). Imagine if more people are using GTB's. Who would want to play wizzies any more.. or kiels.. Creators would be tough to crack.. the game would be more imbalance and would scare new players i guess..
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:24 pm |
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| jmash wrote: | | I played in both private and official servers. It is proven that at some point economy worsens.. I think it is not a solution to have a higher chance of getting big time MVP cards (by eliminating MVP room bosses). Imagine if more people are using GTB's. Who would want to play wizzies any more.. or kiels.. Creators would be tough to crack.. the game would be more imbalance and would scare new players i guess.. |
This is indeed a valid concern.
Keep going, develop the idea more!
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:02 pm |
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I don't understand why people fuss over summoning Room MVP. There are more than one view point to this. Instead of removing the Room MVP from the Bloody Branch; removing the MVP Room, itself, is always an option.
How many people in here take the MVP Room as a given?
I don't think removing certain MVP or making rares MVP into a separate package is a good idea, in my opinion. How many players can afford to pay for rares? If a player from the beginning cannot afford to pay for the cards now, what make you guys think they will can afford it later on? Yes, it's easier to get mvp, so that mean the underdog will get some rares too? This is not only base on luck, but how many bloody branch can you afford to buy.
Example 1: What happen if All the Room MVP is Remove or What happen if there an extra package of BB just for rares?
What will happen? People that can afford to buy gold coin, they just buy more gold coin. People that cannot afford to buy gold coin; there will be a greater demand for gold coin causing the price to rise. Yes, this will only happen at the beginning or double drops. However, there are plenty of players that save up to buy gold coin for double drops. This will cause an impact on new players that cannot afford to donate, since it will be harder for them to obtain donation items by saving up zeny.
I don't understand how is making rares easier to obtain going to help the economy. More Rares Available to the public does not mean there will be more players.
The current economy DOES NOT leave poor sprite poor, and rich sprites rich.
Why is there so much Zeny floating around the server now because people over time obtain them. Just because you have Rares does not mean you can farm for Zeny easier than those that doesn't. This depends on one's luck and diligent not their Rares Collection. Please don't give me the whole because the vendor items are so expensive. Yes, because there is an excessive amount of zeny.
Example 2: Elite Group
There will always be an Elite Group of Players.
Boy A, 15 years old boy getting 10-20 dollars allowance each week cannot afford to donated to the server.
Boy B, 15 year old boy getting 100-200 dollars allowance each week can afford to donated to the server.
Even if both start playing at the same time, there will be a difference. Elite Players are those that can afford to donated. Making cards cheaper doesn't mean that Boy A can obtain the card. Making card cheaper does mean that Boy B can obtain more cards.
Example 3: Yay, Kiels are only 50 dollars
New player, yay Kiels are so cheap, I can now build my dream character to kick butt. Woe Time, WAIT.... Why is there 15 other people with kiels hitting me?
Also, how does the idea of More cards will eventually help lower the price of Gold Coin? Will you donate to the server when you have all of your rares? Yes, occasionally to buy items that can only be bought with Zeny. How many more players will be willing to donate afterward? Does that not mean there will be a shortage of gold coin. Everybody know what happen when there was a shortage of Rares Cards. Less Real Money floating around does not mean that the excessive amount of Zeny will disappear. If there is a Bright side to a situation, does it necessary mean there is a downside to it? No, but we cannot tell the future to see what type of impact more cards will do to the server.
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:55 pm |
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The way I see it, changing the BB's has become really complicated. As sourlime stated in her post about the 2 kids, one of them getting 10-20 and the other getting 100-200 or however much, ofcourse the richer kid can buy more BB's if they choose to. But that doesn't always mean they'll be lucky and score a good rare, but I get your point.
To void all these headaches of thinking of how to fix the BB's, why don't we all just agree to remove the current Mvp room and put in a better one so people can pick and choose which Mvps they would like to summon?
I.E -
http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=2416
Since it keeps getting pushed further back with more idea's getting thoughtof, why not just go back to the square root of the BB issue and then solve it, this way instead. Before anyone says this way will hurt the donation process to the server, I HIGHLY doubt that it will considering people will still buy BB's on double drop days, even after this Mvp room is added in.
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:10 pm |
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My post also mentions why I believe that arena is a good idea, and people if you pay attention to the groups of MVP's in that MVP room idea you will notice that there are NO kiels in it. I don't see a problem with it. I believe it fixes eco issues that I mentioned in my earlier statement
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| Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:10 pm |
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Legit question here, if sourlime "left" why does she even care a crap anymore?
All things aside, The current system is keeping anyone without MVP's down, and its only going to get worse. Somethings gotta change SOMEHOW and at least SoS is putting ideas forward. |
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| Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:59 am |
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| GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | Legit question here, if sourlime "left" why does she even care a crap anymore?
All things aside, The current system is keeping anyone without MVP's down, and its only going to get worse. Somethings gotta change SOMEHOW and at least SoS is putting ideas forward. |
Just because she left, doesn't mean she can't help a little and put in her information. I'm pretty sure plenty other people have quit and still use the suggestion forum.
Also, it would help to remove some MvPs from the Bloody Branch, but let's see what the GMs think about this. I'm pretty sure in the first few pages Skye said something about not wanting to remove them.
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| Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:02 am |
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| GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | Legit question here, if sourlime "left" why does she even care a crap anymore?
All things aside, The current system is keeping anyone without MVP's down, and its only going to get worse. Somethings gotta change SOMEHOW and at least SoS is putting ideas forward. |
I like logging in to give my 2 cent to annoy you. Yes, I'm taking time out of my life just for you. (._. not really, just sarcasm) Also, is there a rule that I can no longer post in Reign Forum. You think this is a good idea, and that is your opinion. So am I not entitled to my opinion too? This is the suggestion thread, in my opinion this is a bad idea. I have my rights, and you have yours. Please respect the fact that I have rights too. If you cannot stand my opinion on this topic, please remember that other people also kept quiet unlike you.
If you think this is such a great idea, why do you think there is so many people against it? I'm still 100% against this idea due to the fact that more rares will not be a solution to anything. (Beside collecting more skull) Anyway, if you have any rude comment direct to me, please remember the forum is public. Any personal issue should be private.
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| Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:22 am |
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I am just 100% unsure how a unactive player who does not play the game anymore, according to their own words, has any say on what should happen ingame, considering it wont effect them at all. That is all and I just wish for some clarification.
Agree'd everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I am not denying anyone that, but if why should that opinion matter if it will not effect that person in any way shape or form?
Its also what we call "Having a standing" in the legal system.
Like when Alabama tried to sue BP even though Alabama is not effected by the ocean disaster, save maybe a few hotels losing traveling tourists.
The judge ruled they did not have standing, therefore they could not sue BP.
This same "Standing" law is being used against people who want gays to not be able to marry. They dont have anything to gain or lose from it, so why should it matter to them? This is just how the legal system works and I am taking a example from there.
I might not be online a whole lot because everyone has lives IRL, but I still play the game enough to where something like this would effect me.
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