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without point 2, point 3 is unfair, get good god items by doing nothing? with excesive amount of castles and few players.
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:33 pm |
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My opinion wont change this thread at all.
Trollers gonna troll
Haters gonna hate.
I'm out, I'll begin preparations should/if this gets implemented. Kthxbai
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:34 pm |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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| marine wrote: | | without point 2, point 3 is unfair, get good god items by doing nothing? with excesive amount of castles and few players. |
By your logic then, why does anyone fight over any Pront castle other then Fadrigh?
Why is Kriemheild always the big battle castle??
hmmmmmmmmmmmm............
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:36 pm |
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My opinion wont change this thread at all.
Trollers gonna troll
Haters gonna hate.
I'm out, I'll begin preparations should/if this gets implemented. Kthxbai |
Same! This is going no where. Change WoE, do whatever. |
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:47 pm |
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A power guild with a subguild will not be able to snag 5 castles. Their forces can't be spread out that much especially on a server this size. And if they do manage to get all 5 then good on them, they deserve it, they put more time and teamwork into it.
This all one realm rotation will make people decide to join larger guilds instead of trying to solo everything themselves, thus creating more competition and teamwork. This game is about working together, not doing everything yourself. No matter how much more geared me and toft were then others, an eventual build in teamwork overcame us everytime.
Storming one castle again a guild who is spread over 5 would not go down well for them.
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:50 pm |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | A power guild with a subguild will not be able to snag 5 castles. Their forces can't be spread out that much especially on a server this size. And if they do manage to get all 5 then good on them, they deserve it, they put more time and teamwork into it.
This all one realm rotation will make people decide to join larger guilds instead of trying to solo everything themselves, thus creating more competition and teamwork. This game is about working together, not doing everything yourself. No matter how much more geared me and toft were then others, an eventual build in teamwork overcame us everytime.
Storming one castle again a guild who is spread over 5 would not go down well for them. |
And thats why I like your idea for the #2 slot over the one that Luzz proposed.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:51 pm |
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''They TRY. I myself would LOVE to have those cards or at the very least buy them, but I don't have a job nor rich family and I'm too lazy to hunt, so I ACCEPT it and wait for them to pop up in BBs or something.''
i have to agree with adam tho i come from a rich family but it doesnt mean i can buy any card i want i cant pay any moneya t all. yes SOS is hard and yes i am part of genesis who fights them alot(is alot of fun/a pain) but people need to try and not be lazy am slowly geting off being lazy and hunting so to this people are goign to fight and people arnt going to and keep there moiuths shut. am one of the people who arnt goign to fight it if this happens it happens.
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:56 pm |
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Please keep all reponses purely WoE-related.
Here is the current WoE castle ownership:
http://www.reignonline.net/woe.php
When our currently 2 realm WoE system was implemented, everyone and their dog said 'THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CASTLES! STRONG GUILDS WILL JUST MAKE SUBGUILDS TO DOMINATE EVERY CASTLE DURING DIFFERENT WOE DAYS!'
I have viewed castle ownership history for the past year. This hasn't happened at all with ANY of the guilds. Keep in mind that most guilds tend to consist of players from the same geographic region, and thus time-zone. Chances are, the guild that takes Kreim one week, will be unable to take it another week because it will be on a different timed WoE.
I think most of you are forgetting that it is nearly impossible for any player/guild to attend all WoEs.
Now, also think about this: consider the first hour WoE to be purely optional. If you dislike the more competitive first hour, ignore it, and the rest of WoE will be very similiar to how it is now.
For the lazy readers: in short - single guild taking a majority of the castles has never happened in the history of Reign Online. It will not happen with these proposed changes. And should it happen, trust me, a LOT of players will complain and the guild will receive a lot of heat, along with punishment for breaking the 4 castle rule.
The responses are the exact same responses I saw the last time WoE changes were proposed.
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:19 pm |
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| luzz wrote: | Please keep all reponses purely WoE-related.
Here is the current WoE castle ownership:
http://www.reignonline.net/woe.php
When our currently 2 realm WoE system was implemented, everyone and their dog said 'THAT'S NOT ENOUGH CASTLES! STRONG GUILDS WILL JUST MAKE SUBGUILDS TO DOMINATE EVERY CASTLE DURING DIFFERENT WOE DAYS!'
I have viewed castle ownership history for the past year. This hasn't happened at all with ANY of the guilds. Keep in mind that most guilds tend to consist of players from the same geographic region, and thus time-zone. Chances are, the guild that takes Kreim one week, will be unable to take it another week because it will be on a different timed WoE.
I think most of you are forgetting that it is nearly impossible for any player/guild to attend all WoEs.
Now, also think about this: consider the first hour WoE to be purely optional. If you dislike the more competitive first hour, ignore it, and the rest of WoE will be very similiar to how it is now.
For the lazy readers: in short - single guild taking a majority of the castles has never happened in the history of Reign Online. It will not happen with these proposed changes. And should it happen, trust me, a LOT of players will complain and the guild will receive a lot of heat, along with punishment for breaking the 4 castle rule.
The responses are the exact same responses I saw the last time WoE changes were proposed. |
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Luzz look up those two guild names from about 3-4 months ago, they were both guilds from AsuraKiller and Winks.
And keep in mind, more then 4 castles = = Using subguilds to take more castles then needed, those two guilds that shared the same logo and everything regularly had around 6-8 castles. Dual Guild-ing has happened, and it was very recent, I'm kind of shocked at you Luzz.
And were not worried about EVERY castle, just the Prontera castles.
Granted Fadhrihg is the only essences worth fighting for, but pront Gdungeon 03 is valuable by itself, and allowing major guilds to shut out any smaller guild because only 1 Pront castle is available per WoE is bullshit in my books.
Either we go with Glens good idea of rotating realms rather then castles, or we do nothing at all.
I do not want to see only 1 Pront castle available per WoE, I dont give a crap what time slotted WoE's they happen to fall in, what castle it is, or what guild controls them, 1 per WoE is not a good idea.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:42 pm |
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umm thoses 2 werent the only guilds who did i can name afew others Genesis aswell who had more then 4 at one given time as of now we have 5 4 in main 1 in sub and lets not start that drama again. but here are the few i know
genesis
sos
ren
gm
souls guild
dreams(who turned into genesis alogn time ago)
Descendant
and candy
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| Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:50 pm |
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I say we just go back to orignal WoE...where all castles were available on one WoE day..just back the times..
"1. WoE times begin an hour earlier
Monday: 4:00am - 6:00am (0400 - 0600)
Wednesday: 8:00pm - 10:00pm (2000 - 2200)
Saturday: 12:00pm - 2:00pm (1200 - 1400)"
If all castles are available... larger guilds will have to decide on which castles to defend..and which to take... |
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| Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:21 am |
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Luzz, thankyou, you are spot on.
Whites, you yourself said your too lazy to hunt. That is your problem. Don't pick on other people because they aren't too lazy to hunt or they have money. If you cared enough, you would take the time to hunt some cards.
Best way to test it is just that - test it, trial it. I am sure more people will like it then they originally thought.
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| Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:24 am |
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| Silent wrote: | I say we just go back to orignal WoE...where all castles were available on one WoE day..just back the times..
"1. WoE times begin an hour earlier
Monday: 4:00am - 6:00am (0400 - 0600)
Wednesday: 8:00pm - 10:00pm (2000 - 2200)
Saturday: 12:00pm - 2:00pm (1200 - 1400)"
If all castles are available... larger guilds will have to decide on which castles to defend..and which to take... |
got a point there plus it be harder to sub
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Trial it.
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| Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:27 am |
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Let me stress this part:
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Single guild taking a majority of the castles has never happened in the history of Reign Online. It will not happen with these proposed changes. And should it happen, trust me, a LOT of players will complain and the guild will receive a lot of heat, along with punishment for breaking the 4 castle rule.
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And let me expand on it:
Obviously, players will be in sub-guilds. Most player accounts have 12 characters. It is expected that players will make similar guilds and join similar guilds with their friends. There are THIRTY castles/strongholds. There aren't even thirty large guilds.
My point is this: no guild has CONSISTENTLY taken ownership of a majority of the castles. It is not a big deal if guild-X/sub-guild-X owns 5 or 6 castles one week, because another guild/sub-guild will do the same next week. Not once has anyone ever approached me and said 'Guild-Y/Sub-Guild-Y has too many castles!'. Not once.
This is not a question of whether sub-guilds exist. This is a question of whether a single guild have consistently own too many castles, and the answer to this is No.
My opinion (and everyone is entitled to theirs), is that all this is unfounded fear of change. Change is always for the better. Without change, things stagnate.
And, on a side note - I monitor(ed) a good half dozen or so other servers (some for research, some to assist other admins). Nearly all of them have had only one or two castles open per WoE, and from what I can tell, players love the competitiveness.
But this whole sub-guild issue is a tangent. I suggest to get back to the core suggestions at hand. Guild/Sub-guild abuse will not be an issue. Take this as a given.
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