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Glen sent me this pm and Strafe n' I talked it over a bit and decided to post it here for people to debate about. Note this is NOT a sugestion but depending on the debate it might.
| Glenfiddich wrote: | Hey Man!
I was thinking about the gtb argument and it hit me.
How about keeping its effects the same, BUT!
Nullify all magic spells, including supportive skills, that target the owner at the cost of doubling SP Consumption cost when using skills. In addition: While equipped, doubles all non magical damage received. |
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| Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:00 am |
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Maico
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That actually sounds pretty fair
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| Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:08 am |
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Interesting. so u 3 finally caved tht when u see a gtb user u rlly just nid a str /dex job friend .
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I think us GTB users feel quite fine already with losing double SP and all supportive skills. We are already making a trade off from a Cranial shield to use a GTB so in fact we are getting hit harder than we normally would.
Use a GTB during a all out War against both physical and magic user's, its nice and all but when you can't get buffs, have to run to storage to grab more honey/pots and can't be healed with it on, its a bitch. We paid our price of using a GTB enough as it is what your asking for is a bit ridiculous. I mean How many GTB's are on this server and if its as good as you think it is, then why are some people even selling theirs.
If I was a mage class I would much rather complain against full magic reflect users than against GTB. O wait I know why you don't because you say AOE bypasses it, which people could easily know how to make AOE kill you just like a single target will, but I won't even say that. 
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You 3 seriously just can't settle with the fact that it's an official card that doesn't require editing.. It's fine the way it is, people give up a physical reducer to have it on, and with that being said, we even spend Double our sp using a single spell. Voting and Gathering more players, solves the issue where - "There's too many GTB's on the server !!"
More people, less instances where you run into a player with GTB.
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| Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:00 pm |
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| NightShade wrote: | | You 3 seriously just can't settle with the fact that it's an official card that doesn't require editing.. |
Alot of other servers seem to not agree witht that? Official and private servers.
| NightShade wrote: | | we even spend Double our sp using a single spell. |
You have got to be kidding me. Double sp? Omg, with 1000's of sp, you are actually pointing that out as a down point? And who the hell plays under 50% weight anyway? Also, aid blue potion still works 1k sp's = destroy that effect of gtb.
| NightShade wrote: | | More people, less instances where you run into a player with GTB. |
Pvp is a small place, always will be. Hey i have gtb, i think its absolute bullshi* when i use it. People just @sleep instantaneously.
Its hardly a double edged sword atm. Having it as this would make people think before using it
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| Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:36 pm |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | | You 3 seriously just can't settle with the fact that it's an official card that doesn't require editing.. |
Alot of other servers seem to not agree witht that? Official and private servers.
| NightShade wrote: | | we even spend Double our sp using a single spell. |
You have got to be kidding me. Double sp? Omg, with 1000's of sp, you are actually pointing that out as a down point? And who the hell plays under 50% weight anyway? Also, aid blue potion still works 1k sp's = destroy that effect of gtb.
| NightShade wrote: | | More people, less instances where you run into a player with GTB. |
Pvp is a small place, always will be. Hey i have gtb, i think its absolute bullshi* when i use it. People just @sleep instantaneously.
Its hardly a double edged sword atm. Having it as this would make people think before using it |
1000's of sp maybe on a mage class but on other classes much like LK your looking at 2k max sp, and BB eats sp like a mofo with that shield. Trust me panting boxes are used on the LK with GTB on, if i ever get around to hunting them. But I never PVP at over 50% weight, because thats just dumb...
Pick more fights it seems to work for us at SOS; maybe you should do the same and notice your have to switch shields accordingly
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: |
1000's of sp maybe on a mage class but on other classes much like LK your looking at 2k max sp, and BB eats sp like a mofo with that shield. Trust me panting boxes are used on the LK with GTB on, if i ever get around to hunting them. |
If you have to use gtb in the first place, its not going to take many bb's to kill your enemy, as mage class has low hp. Also, kill someone 5 times, relog, regen your sp instantly, then come back. Double sp isnt much of a downfall.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | But I never PVP at over 50% weight, because thats just dumb... |
I do
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: |
1000's of sp maybe on a mage class but on other classes much like LK your looking at 2k max sp, and BB eats sp like a mofo with that shield. Trust me panting boxes are used on the LK with GTB on, if i ever get around to hunting them. |
If you have to use gtb in the first place, its not going to take many bb's to kill your enemy, as mage class has low hp. Also, kill someone 5 times, relog, regen your sp instantly, then come back. Double sp isnt much of a downfall.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | But I never PVP at over 50% weight, because thats just dumb... |
I do |
Well do you go against the array of classes i go against? Just yesterday we went against multiple different classes and i was changing shields like nothing. But during the period where the shield is on Im most likely attking the heavy hitters then going for the mage. since they are more of a nuisance then anything else.
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| marine wrote: | | Interesting. so u 3 finally caved tht when u see a gtb user u rlly just nid a str /dex job friend . |
Nope we never caved. We just decided on an alternative way of dealing with GTB seeing as there's no chance that it'll get banned and Luzz hasn't started the trial run with GTB at 75% magic reduction.
| Luzz wrote: | My proposal is:
A 1 week trial where GTB blocks only 75% of magical damage while keeping all of the card's pitfalls. This way, the card is still extremely useful, but does not make magic users the snipers of pneuma.
I'll let you all comment on this proposed trial.
Thank you all for your opinion.
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I think us GTB users feel quite fine already with losing double SP and all supportive skills. We are already making a trade off from a Cranial shield to use a GTB so in fact we are getting hit harder than we normally would. |
Don't mean to sound mean bubba but cry me a river. So you have to put up with double the sp cost if your going up against a mage 5 BB's (one AD, one sacrifice, 5-6 Cart Termination, 6 Grimtooth) and they're done.
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If I was a mage class I would much rather complain against full magic reflect users than against GTB. O wait I know why you don't because you say AOE bypasses it, which people could easily know how to make AOE kill you just like a single target will, but I won't even say that. |
The only thing I know of that can reflect AoE skills is a Soul Linker if there's another way AoE can be reflected please pm me.
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| NightShade wrote: | | More people, less instances where you run into a player with GTB. |
Pvp is a small place, always will be. Hey i have gtb, i think its absolute bullshi* when i use it. People just @sleep instantaneously.
Its hardly a double edged sword atm. Having it as this would make people think before using it |
Just reiterating what Glen had said.
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| ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | | marine wrote: | | Interesting. so u 3 finally caved tht when u see a gtb user u rlly just nid a str /dex job friend . |
Nope we never caved. We just decided on an alternative way of dealing with GTB seeing as there's no chance that it'll get banned and Luzz hasn't started the trial run with GTB at 75% magic reduction.
| Luzz wrote: | My proposal is:
A 1 week trial where GTB blocks only 75% of magical damage while keeping all of the card's pitfalls. This way, the card is still extremely useful, but does not make magic users the snipers of pneuma.
I'll let you all comment on this proposed trial.
Thank you all for your opinion.
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I think us GTB users feel quite fine already with losing double SP and all supportive skills. We are already making a trade off from a Cranial shield to use a GTB so in fact we are getting hit harder than we normally would. |
Don't mean to sound mean bubba but cry me a river. So you have to put up with double the sp cost if your going up against a mage 5 BB's (one AD, one sacrifice, 5-6 Cart Termination, 6 Grimtooth) and they're done.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: |
If I was a mage class I would much rather complain against full magic reflect users than against GTB. O wait I know why you don't because you say AOE bypasses it, which people could easily know how to make AOE kill you just like a single target will, but I won't even say that. |
The only thing I know of that can reflect AoE skills is a Soul Linker if there's another way AoE can be reflected please pm me.
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| NightShade wrote: | | More people, less instances where you run into a player with GTB. |
Pvp is a small place, always will be. Hey i have gtb, i think its absolute bullshi* when i use it. People just @sleep instantaneously.
Its hardly a double edged sword atm. Having it as this would make people think before using it |
Just reiterating what Glen had said. |
Well you are crying a river about a card... I dont see people bitching about FBH or anything else for that matter. You guys continually bitch about this card.
As far as the AOE thing I will PM you it, trust me it hurts more than this card will ever do.
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:57 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: |
Well you are crying a river about a card... I dont see people bitching about FBH or anything else for that matter. You guys continually bitch about this card.
As far as the AOE thing I will PM you it, trust me it hurts more than this card will ever do. |
Well there's already tons of shit that puts Mages at a dissadvantage
GTB
Soul Linkers
Elemental Reducers
Maya
Other card reflectors
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Ok, wtf? Where is this mysterious 3rd person involved in the banning gtb stuff? I don't see any posts from me before this one, aside from the one mention of me in shadow's first post about how I agreed it would be a good idea (Assuming I'm the 3rd person who "finally caved"). I really stopped caring about this crap like 2 days after Luzz said he'd reduce it to 75% since it seemed that no matter what, people will bitch about wanting their GTB card. So please, for future refrence, keep me OUT of your damn flame war. Otherwise, name this 3rd person.
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| XDoggStrafe wrote: | | Ok, wtf? Where is this mysterious 3rd person involved in the banning gtb stuff? I don't see any posts from me before this one, aside from the one mention of me in shadow's first post about how I agreed it would be a good idea (Assuming I'm the 3rd person who "finally caved"). I really stopped caring about this crap like 2 days after Luzz said he'd reduce it to 75% since it seemed that no matter what, people will bitch about wanting their GTB card. So please, for future refrence, keep me OUT of your damn flame war. Otherwise, name this 3rd person. |
tht would be me , i said so u 3 .. u , glenn ( is all cool dan ) and shadow .
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No bitching about FBH because melee is already stronger.
I really thought people may have liked this idea...
But hey, if your happy with 75% reduction instead, then go for it. I am sure most people will vote to keep it once its gone through testing stages.
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