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What Should be Done
They are fine as it is
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Add a Delay time
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Remove completely from PvP/WoE
24%
 24%  [ 6 ]
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Time to have a little chat, Giggling boxes. Usable Item. Heals 9% of your hp, and can be spammed like pots.

Now i see their appeal, however mass amounts spammed are basically acting like seeds, who can constantly do at least a minimum of 10% (when they use a box) when their spammed like pots when everyones 255.

Now I'm not suggesting their removal, i just added the option to see what you think, personally, i think they need a 2-3 second delay per use, because it's something you can spam about 3 a second (? dont quote me on that). Point is, their basically spammed like pots, and they have become the new Yggdrasil berry's/seeds. and if you can spam about 3-4 a second if you hotkey them, thats 27-36% of HP a second. their basically she seeds of what seeds are to berries. And we know that seeds/berries break PvP/WoE, however if these had a delay on them, i think they could still be useful without too many people complaining.

Also, they can be fairly easy to be obtained by most people, and I constantly see them on sale in shops, so its not like their a complete rarity to the server. so its safe to assume their method of obtainment and accessibility is quite common "you can get them from zombies and skeletons for gosh sake, who cant kill them when your at least level 40.

Discuss your thoughts.
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Well, seeing as how I was up in arms about other things being banned, I think I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't agree with a delay to the giggling boxes. They can be cheap, and lord knows I like spamming them when I have them. So yeah, they're basically a half seed or quarter berry, and those items break woe. So if a delay were to be implemented, how would this effect change the overall game play of WoE and PVP? i understand that a delay would slow down the spamming, but can it be reduced by kiel cards and other after-cast delay reducers? These are some questions I have, but I'm gonna vote for a delay (though a 1 second delay would probably be best, since it's just enough time to get in a couple extra hits before they could heal again.).
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Previous Thread wrote:
http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=572

I would like everyone who contributes their thoughts in this thread to ensure that they are already aware of what facts about the situation were brought up in a previous thread.
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Darkness1852 wrote:

Point is, their basically spammed like pots, and they have become the new Yggdrasil berry's/seeds.


I vote for delay for this reason. I havent really thought about it that way.
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Before giggling becomes the next GTB I wanna add something to the arguement.

Giggling boxes cause curse status to user by a high chance. And curse can only be countered by usable items and ESL card.

This status ailment causes the following effects:

Reduce your ATK by 25%.
LUK becomes 0.
Drastically Reduces your Movement Speed.

Spamming of giggling is a last resort for tankers, not to mention that LKs in berserk can't use pots, and curse slows them down when they are tryng to rush.

I would know, I probably used up the most on the server, when more than 4 people are hitting me I have to spam to even get a chance to retaliate. During the spamming I am stationary, curse > royal jelly > curse > royal jelly.

Just wanna lay it out on the table before it gets nerfed. There is already considerable down side to using giggling. You see vendors selling them in payon, you think it is easy to obtain. Why do you think they are priced at a minimum of 50k ea? I hunt giggling everyday, it's not as easy as you think to hunt enough to spam.

Giggling does not favor any one class, and it is accessible to all who are willing to take the time to hunt it.
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it has a 20% todrop , and if as the two first says it break woe pvp why arent they banned n oficial servers , not tht i try to compare private with oficial since is totally diferent . if u wana spam 100 gigles on woe u have to stay around 1 hr huntin skeletons and zombies , u also nid the royal jellys like joeodoy just said , her statement is perfect .
One more thing and becus today i saw the thread maker on pvp and kinda understand why he ask this i would say also let add aftercast delay to ninja spells . =)
I dont use giggles , but its not as easy as u think to farm as it were ygg berrys on mvp room , it requires lot of time .. like i said 100 gigles in 1 hr <- this vary depends on your luk . not counting the rojal jellys or the quantity of zeny u would use up on panaceas .
I liked the idea of no yggs on woe and pvp , but giglin boxes is a bit xtreme .. how to say it if u cross a giglin spamer just asura tht arse.

Adding: gigle weight 20 , rojal jelly 15 .. carry 100 and 100 its 3500 weight . fuu me with a max str char , i can only carry 7000 withou be on the 90%.
Plus this thread was alreayd made on past and well , giggles won .. man is a unfair world try to dealt with it .
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It isn't unfair.
If one person can use it, we can all use it.
There is nothing stopping anyone but lethargy.
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joeodoy wrote:

Giggling boxes cause curse status to user by a high chance. And curse can only be countered by usable items and ESL card.

This status ailment causes the following effects:

Reduce your ATK by 25%.
LUK becomes 0.
Drastically Reduces your Movement Speed.


Actually, there is another way on reign that I've tested to cancel out curse. Have an acolyte use blessing on you, it removes curse and puts the blessing status on. I've done it multiple times here, so that's another option. But thinking about, I'ma change my vote to leaving it as it is, if everyone can get it, and it's not nerfing any class, why mess with it? I'm some what on the fence on this one mind you since I would like a delay despite using them if it's gonna be changed.
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only 3 jobs can use bless . acolyte , monk and priest.. sure u can get a bless slave next to u , but if u want to be eficent u will hunt ur rojal jelly as u hunted the gigles .
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You guys didn't know that Blessing recovered the Curse effect?
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Zebruh wrote:
It isn't unfair.
If one person can use it, we can all use it.
There is nothing stopping anyone but lethargy.


True, true. But you end up with endless battles. And on top of that, emp break + giggling = your probably going to break >:O

1 second delay would be the maximum i would suggest though.
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Glenfiddich wrote:
Zebruh wrote:
It isn't unfair.
If one person can use it, we can all use it.
There is nothing stopping anyone but lethargy.


True, true. But you end up with endless battles. And on top of that, emp break + giggling = your probably going to break >:O

1 second delay would be the maximum i would suggest though.


*Shelby asura bangs bangs* no gigle save u from a good sb or asura strike.
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Asura fails, easy to stop one hit.
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gr? wht if i told u i killed a gigle spamin paladin with gr + deviring in one asura ?

asura doesnt fails , is pple who says it fails becus is frustrating for em be killed by asura .. on my view u nid big work to block asura tht means super vit gr+deviring = hey i canT kill tht guy cus is using deviring and his super vit -Guildie or friend says : Ok any enchanter less neutral + thana .. see ya in disney !

Edit i said up above no gigle save u from a good SB or asura . gosh get 2 sinx on link to sb the spamer , or two champs to do wht they gota do , overkill? who cares u are dieying for ur team.
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joeodoy wrote:
Giggling does not favor any one class, and it is accessible to all who are willing to take the time to hunt it.

True for the most part, but they slightly favor those who dont move and/or those who don't mind curse.

marine wrote:

I dont use giggles , but its not as easy as u think to farm as it were ygg berrys on mvp room , it requires lot of time .. like i said 100 gigles in 1 hr <- this vary depends on your luk . not counting the rojal jellys or the quantity of zeny u would use up on panaceas .

This assumes that berries are in fact, easier to get into the MvP room, which is only really true on the condition that your either high leveled, have angra/other donates or both. once someones gets a wrath card, its basically so easy to hunt some that a caveman can do it.

marine wrote:

I liked the idea of no yggs on woe and pvp , but giglin boxes is a bit xtreme .. how to say it if u cross a giglin spamer just asura tht arse.
yggs are % healers as well, but boxes are just a lower % that can add up to a time. This also assumes that everyone can E-fist the giggler and kill them, which may not be the case.

marine wrote:
Plus this thread was alreayd made on past and well , giggles won .. man is a unfair world try to dealt with it .
The past thread took a do or die approach, either keep them or remove them, i saw no option (that i can remember, i could be wrong) for a middle/alternative approach.

I never said i wanted them removed, i just suggested a idea to make it so its less abuseable so it doesn't completely destroy the server, because from what I've seen as well as past experience, those who can spam the boxes of the giggling variety rarely die, even when you are extremely outnumbered.
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