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Well I figure I'd dredge up the past seeing as I did some reasearch and found out that iRO Valkyrie server has made it so that GTB drops no card and has it's card banned from WoE.
Also if this is possable I'd like the mods to trace the IP's of any voters to make sure no one is trying to stack the votes using multiple accounts.
This is the source where I saw iRO Valkyrie had removed the GTB card completely.
http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/News/Notice/NoticeView.asp?noticeSeqNo=82&Page=2&Condition=&KeyWord=&mNum=4
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:11 am |
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Sorry but, I rather keep the card in. Speaking from a magic user myself, I'd prefer keeping some things the way they are.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:17 am |
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| NightShade wrote: | | Sorry but, I rather keep the card in. Speaking from a magic user myself, I'd prefer keeping some things the way they are. |
I'm all for making RO fun for all to play, but as long as people keep in mind the scope of things, RO was designed for 1000's not 10's - 100's like reign is hosting. So, really, cards like "GTB" and such are just hurting the overall game play.
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| ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | | Sorry but, I rather keep the card in. Speaking from a magic user myself, I'd prefer keeping some things the way they are. |
I'm all for making RO fun for all to play, but as long as people keep in mind the scope of things, RO was designed for 1000's not 10's - 100's like reign is hosting. So, really, cards like "GTB" and such are just hurting the overall game play. |
Stole the words right outta' my mouth =O!
Anyways, I vote for banning it, if not banning it (cause it IS banned in free iRO for those of you who're gonna say it isn't, the link is here btw http://iro.ragnarokonline.com/News/Notice/NoticeView.asp?noticeSeqNo=82&Page=2&Condition=&KeyWord=&mNum=4 and that's what all private servers are, a free version of iRO with altered rates and items.) then weaken the effect to like 50% reduction or something, cause really, when you have only 30 people playing, and around 50% are melee classes, then another like 10 - 30% use GTB as a magic user, your odds don't look to good anymore. Also, for those of you who are going to say that there are skills to eliminate physical damage, there are only a few, class specific ones (I checked up on pneuma, and it only reduces RANGED damage, not melee.) as opposed to a card that just anyone can grab, slap in their shield and rush past me like I was a ghost. So, for the record, I vote banning it.
Edit, nvm my link, Shadow posted it in his first post.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:23 am |
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Some things we just have to endure I guess. Besides, 1 character isn't supposed to be able to take on every class at once. Which is why keeping the GTB in would make it seem that there's always that one person you'd have to switch to a physical class to beat, or have a guildie help you out that isn't magic class.
Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users.
Just trying to share some idea's.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:26 am |
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| NightShade wrote: | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users.
Just trying to share some idea's. |
xD when Luzz quoted that it was in a thread of mine for for banning GTB from both WoE and PVP.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:29 am |
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| ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users.
Just trying to share some idea's. |
xD when Luzz quoted that it was in a thread of mine for for banning GTB from both WoE and PVP. |
Lol well! Reminder eh? :p
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:32 am |
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| NightShade wrote: | | ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users.
Just trying to share some idea's. |
xD when Luzz quoted that it was in a thread of mine for for banning GTB from both WoE and PVP. |
Lol well! Reminder eh? :p |
I remember, but now I'm citing offical proof from iRO.
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| NightShade wrote: | | Some things we just have to endure I guess. Besides, 1 character isn't supposed to be able to take on every class at once. Which is why keeping the GTB in would make it seem that there's always that one person you'd have to switch to a physical class to beat, or have a guildie help you out that isn't magic class. |
The original game, of RO was designed for one class to be played by one player (or something similar, not just switching when you got into trouble) and that iRO was designed for 1000's, guilds would literally be full of players for WoE (so you'd have about 50 - 70 players fighting, not just you and 4 or 5 friends) so yeah, I could rely on a guildie to help...if they were actually on and NOT a magic user.
| NightShade wrote: | | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users. |
Luzz stated this to me as well, but in regards to it, it's only ranged damage, they are still a physical class and could just as easily run up and smack the hell outta me, as opposed to a full out magic user being utterly useless cause of that single card.
Either way though, I still say it should be banned.
Edit: Also, as far as Pneuma goes, it's a skill, it has a time duration, as opposed to GTB, it's PERMANENT reduction, just like Aesprika and the scrolls.
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| XDoggStrafe wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | | Some things we just have to endure I guess. Besides, 1 character isn't supposed to be able to take on every class at once. Which is why keeping the GTB in would make it seem that there's always that one person you'd have to switch to a physical class to beat, or have a guildie help you out that isn't magic class. |
The original game, of RO was designed for one class to be played by one player (or something similar, not just switching when you got into trouble) and that iRO was designed for 1000's, guilds would literally be full of players for WoE (so you'd have about 50 - 70 players fighting, not just you and 4 or 5 friends) so yeah, I could rely on a guildie to help...if they were actually on and NOT a magic user.
| NightShade wrote: | | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users. |
Luzz stated this to me as well, but in regards to it, it's only ranged damage, they are still a physical class and could just as easily run up and smack the hell outta me, as opposed to a full out magic user being utterly useless cause of that single card.
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Yeah but as you said with the numbers of the guild, what are the odds of all of them being the same class? lol Unless you're just being a ball-buster and making a guild with all 1/1 Novices <_<. 
Back on topic!
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:42 am |
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| NightShade wrote: | Some things we just have to endure I guess. Besides, 1 character isn't supposed to be able to take on every class at once. Which is why keeping the GTB in would make it seem that there's always that one person you'd have to switch to a physical class to beat, or have a guildie help you out that isn't magic class.
Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users.
Just trying to share some idea's. |
Well...to honestly say Champions are very good at taking on all classes if you know what you're doing Champions can be very evil
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| NightShade wrote: | | XDoggStrafe wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | | Some things we just have to endure I guess. Besides, 1 character isn't supposed to be able to take on every class at once. Which is why keeping the GTB in would make it seem that there's always that one person you'd have to switch to a physical class to beat, or have a guildie help you out that isn't magic class. |
The original game, of RO was designed for one class to be played by one player (or something similar, not just switching when you got into trouble) and that iRO was designed for 1000's, guilds would literally be full of players for WoE (so you'd have about 50 - 70 players fighting, not just you and 4 or 5 friends) so yeah, I could rely on a guildie to help...if they were actually on and NOT a magic user.
| NightShade wrote: | | Plus, as Luzz stated once in an arguement such as this one, or debate rather. He brought up how Pneuma is a skill similar to GTB, but for Ranged users. |
Luzz stated this to me as well, but in regards to it, it's only ranged damage, they are still a physical class and could just as easily run up and smack the hell outta me, as opposed to a full out magic user being utterly useless cause of that single card.
Either way though, I still say it should be banned. |
Yeah but as you said with the numbers of the guild, what are the odds of all of them being the same class? lol Unless you're just being a ball-buster and making a guild with all 1/1 Novices <_<.
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That actually was on topic, and as I stated, GTB is too over powered for a small server, hence why I mentioned the %'s and numbers and such, if it's just me, Shadow and tomato (a wizard in my guild) and one LK with a GTB card comes into our castle, we're kinda dead now aren't we? And considering that the players who ARE on most WoE's have a high chance of having this and being an lk, then I'm sure as a group of magic users, are as done as turkey dinner on thanksgiving.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:48 am |
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| JUST LEAVE THIS GAME AS IS. CARDS ARE PUT HERE FOR A REASON YO. JUST BECAUSE U DONT LIKE THEM DOUESNT MEAN THAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE TO SUFFER. JUST DEAL WITH IT. AND GET OVER IT. IF A GTB USSER IS MAKING U MADE JUST GET ON ANOTHER CHAR THAT IS NOT AFFECTEF BT GTB AND WOMP THAT PLAYER |
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| angrysnake wrote: | | JUST LEAVE THIS GAME AS IS. CARDS ARE PUT HERE FOR A REASON YO. JUST BECAUSE U DONT LIKE THEM DOUESNT MEAN THAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE TO SUFFER. JUST DEAL WITH IT. AND GET OVER IT. IF A GTB USSER IS MAKING U MADE JUST GET ON ANOTHER CHAR THAT IS NOT AFFECTEF BT GTB AND WOMP THAT PLAYER |
Dude, it's not a matter of leaving the game as is. This is how iRO does it on their valk servers, the FREE servers. Everyone complains that certain items aren't in iRO, well, GTB was taken out. Why're we still using it when aesprika was taken out awhile back? Either way, it's a suggestion to make things fair, do you play any pure magic classes snake? with only 2 donations (and only 1 allowed in pvp/woe)? It makes things really REALLY difficult to actually do. And makes magic users all but useless. Also, as far as whining cause someone with a gtb was killing me, I've only had it happen once on this server, and the LK in my group killed them.
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| angrysnake wrote: | | JUST LEAVE THIS GAME AS IS. CARDS ARE PUT HERE FOR A REASON YO. JUST BECAUSE U DONT LIKE THEM DOUESNT MEAN THAT OTHER PLAYERS HAVE TO SUFFER. JUST DEAL WITH IT. AND GET OVER IT. IF A GTB USSER IS MAKING U MADE JUST GET ON ANOTHER CHAR THAT IS NOT AFFECTEF BT GTB AND WOMP THAT PLAYER |
Snake it's a sugestion, and caps are not needed. Using caps just makes your post look like an eyesore, no offence. Back on topic though~
GTB in my opinion should never have been created.
1. It kills off 3 different classes. Professor/High Wizard, Ninja, and Priest.
2. Unlike pnumea GTB is a perminant handicap while pnuema only lasts for so long.
3. It's to over powered for our small server. Now if this were a server with 500-1000 people on daily with maybe 50 auto venders then i'd have no complaint seeing as it's a larger server and GTB would make things more balanced.
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