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| Disable Holy and Undead scrolls from WOE? |
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Bubbaknoxz
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I think these items should be removed from the server, since they negate other real items. For example the Undead scroll gives the same stats attributes like that of the Aesprika, but the Aesprika is banned from WOE.
The holy scrolls enchant holy property, which kills the idea of even using a Angeling card and makes it worthless.
So whats the point of even having the real items in the game if these can replace it with ease. If anything the scrolls should be disabled for WOE. This is an idea feel free to add to it.
I'll have the poll up for 10 days.
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Zebruh
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No way.
That's ludicrous.
These are real items.
The cards substitute for these items. That's why they take up a slot in the armor, for what use to be a permanent condition.
Removing these items would be like... removing boxes of sunlight.
Or removing resistance potions.
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| Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:25 pm |
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Bubbaknoxz
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| Zebruh wrote: | No way.
That's ludicrous.
These are real items.
The cards substitute for these items. That's why they take up a slot in the armor, for what use to be a permanent condition.
Removing these items would be like... removing boxes of sunlight.
Or removing resistance potions. |
Find me these scrolls on RMS or ROcards.de.... Exact scrolls. You won't be able too, because they aren't a real item. They were scripted to make those voting headgears useful.
The boxes on the other hand are real items implemented in iRO.
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| Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:38 pm |
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Zebruh
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Don't mind if I play The Devil's Advocate, but...
RMS isn't always accurate~
But, the donation gears will never be truly useless.
Even if Luzz stuck them in just for that, which I doubt- no offense, they're real items here.
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I had to vote removing them completely because what's the exact point of having them, but not allowing Asperika? The only thing I see these scrolls doing is allowing Holy Element armor, and allowing you to keep the slot. IE - Holy Element and Tao or w/e without needing a Priest.
It doesn't exactly balance out anything besides make magic users practically useless because a very large majority of players on here use the scrolls. I mean hell, it's bad enough that magic users have to worry about gtb card. But now, allowing players to recieve Holy Element without requiring Angeling or the Priest buff is alittle out of hand.
I'd rather have to deal with going against an Asperika rather than the scrolls because atleast then I have a chance of doing some kind of damage.
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| Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:47 pm |
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You can't change your weapon on the fly?
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| Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:49 pm |
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i think that this topic is similar to the "giggling box should be ban..."...
"To restrict scrolls from WoE would only make the opposite side unhappy. "
at the end, no change.
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| Zebruh wrote: | | You can't change your weapon on the fly? |
Magic User, not a Physical hitter.
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| Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:53 pm |
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| kinness wrote: | i think that this topic is similar to the "giggling box should be ban..."...
"To restrict scrolls from WoE would only make the opposite side unhappy. "
at the end, no change. |
The giggling argument has nothing in here. Its an actual healing item in servers, much like panting boxes. Of course I believe all healing adds should be allowed but thats just me.
The scrolls on the other hand are meant to allow people to use cards/items they really don't have. And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor.
If you want undead elemental use a Aesprika, if you want Holy elemental use a Angeling or Archdam card. Its that simple, the scrolls just nerf those items.
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I talked with luzz about the scrolls as soon i joined the sv , so i kind understand wht is troublin here .
Sayed by luzz itself , holy and undead scroll were made custom here before gravity released aesprika , it makes some sense tht everybody needed some reductions , but then asprika were released why not use it and stop the scrolls . The gm crew has talked about this a few times , if i were to chose i would vote disable the scrolls and return asprika wich is why gravity made it , for an example of how the scrolls bad act mm... : U wearing let say manteu of warmth + undead scroll u have 50% reduction to wind . With aesprika a god item u only get 30% because u dont stack the scroll over it .
Idk i would like to this custom things disapear , as for the holy scroll i have found kind of funny see a garm user absorbin holy dmg , never seen it before and at first i was just like wtf. Another about holy scroll a tao user with holy reductions to all the elements .
zebruh ur not very acurate on this one buddy, but tell me was the scrolls here before aesprika was released by gravity or not ? .
edit: daisy's right originally a tao user nided priest b.s sacramenti to get holy prop at same time , and tao is just an example .. there are lot of more combinations . |
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| Zebruh wrote: | No way.
Removing these items would be like... removing boxes of sunlight.
Or removing resistance potions. |
Everything in ro seems to be completely against magic users and all for melee class.
Agree with zeb though.
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| Zebruh wrote: | No way.
Removing these items would be like... removing boxes of sunlight.
Or removing resistance potions. |
Everything in ro seems to be completely against magic users and all for melee class.
Agree with zeb though.
EDIT: And now that i think of it, hell no. You say use aesprika or w/e, but thanks to the people whinging about it, it has been disabled both in woe, and in the only pvp room people play.
I think that these people just want less and less reductions possibly allowed, so they can pwn people even more with their godly cards :O My reductions are the only things that allow me to stand any sort of chance against the crazy crazy people :O
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TO:Bubbaknoxz & NightShade & SOS
I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEA
ps whats up with this days SOS keep requesting stuff (FAIL!)
Next time if you don't want be called FAIL make sure get all the INFO right and post please this is making me laugh hahaha
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | I think these items should be removed from the server, since they negate other real items. For example the Undead scroll gives the same stats attributes like that of the Aesprika, but the Aesprika is banned from WOE.
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Your words are not making any sense!! There are not giving the same attributes.
Asprika [0] [Garment]
Type Armor Class Garment Buy n/a Sell n/a Weight 40
Defense 5 Required Lvl 94 Slot 0
Refineable No
Applicable Jobs
Every Job
Description Wings created using all the light in the world. Its name means "Light of the Gods".
Adds resistance to ALL elements by 30%.
FLEE + 30, MDEF + 5.
Enables use of Level 1 Teleport.
Cannot be refined, cannot be destroyed.
Item Script { bonus bMdef,5; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Neutral,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Water,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Earth,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Fire,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Wind,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Poison,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Holy,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Dark,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Ghost,30; bonus2 bSubEle,Ele_Undead,30; bonus bFlee,30; skill "AL_TELEPORT",1; bonus bUnbreakableArmor,0; },{},{}
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | Find me these scrolls on RMS or ROcards.de.... Exact scrolls. You won't be able too, because they aren't a real item.
And they are not an item on the official server, trust me I have all the recent item_db scripts written with me to check, as well as the online factor. |
hmmm... I DON"T TRUST YOU cos i found those in RMS ^^ some reason. Those items have different names in RMS if you don't know it ....
(Holy_Element_Scroll)
Type Magic Scroll Class n/a Buy n/a Sell n/a Weight 1
Description A scroll endowed with Holy elemental magic.
When used, grants armor attribute for 5 minutes Holy attribute to convert.
Item Script { specialeffect2 91; sc_start SC_BENEDICTIO,300000,1; },{},{}
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(Undead_Element_Scroll)
Type Magic Scroll Class n/a Buy n/a Sell n/a Weight 1
Description A scroll endowed with undead elemental magic.
When used, grants 20% resistance to Fire, Water, Wind, and Earth property attacks for 5 minutes.
Item Script { sc_start4 SC_ARMOR_RESIST,300000,20,20,20,20; },{},{}
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| NightShade wrote: | It doesn't exactly balance out anything besides make magic users practically useless because a very large majority of players on here use the scrolls.
I'd rather have to deal with going against an Asperika rather than the scrolls because atleast then I have a chance of doing some kind of damage.
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so you saying you rather deal with 30% reduce of all element than 20% resistance to Fire, Water, Wind, and Earth property attacks for 5 minutes. you are alien in the whole server !!! maybe you are just extraordinary. |
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