[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

OP:
Well no offense, but stop making pancakes sound worst than the holocaust, its one god damn percent.

Hell why dont you be a good, fair, sport, and get on your LK. We'll have someone get on their LK seeing as I dont have a LK or Pally, and you will both wear no gears at all, and have all your stats dumped into vit 255, nothing else.

One will spam pancakes one will spam giggles and well see if one percent difference and the weight difference will bring the eternity of calamity and doom upon us as you say it will.

We will also need 2 Alchemists, same thing, no gears Just INT and 150 Dex, and Ill pay for the bottles if need be.

I will even pay for both stat resets for the 4 people, and it will only take about 5 minutes if not less.

Sound good? If not quitcherbitchin, shut up and sit down.

If the difference is notably vast, then yes they might need to be toned down.

If not, then you all need to shut it and stop whining that people are using something aside from giggles, which you all have a major market for selling if pancakes did get effected.


This wont take that much time, and it wont take any money form anyone else considering I will be affording it so you have no reason to say no.

To save costs, the max amount will be 30 of each item. (Pancakes/Giggles)\

And before you say "Ill forget my awesome 1337 build" write it down on a piece of paper, if you have a computer, I will assume you can write a short note on a little notepad.

We can have Luzz judge it too if you would be pleased, that way he can also make sure no-one on either side might be wearing any gears.

Hell and before anyone asks You can hold 300 giggles to every 120 pancakes.

5.4 mil + health for 300 giggles used, based on a 200k HP or greater LK
versus the
2.4 mil + from 120 pancakes based on a 200K HP or greater LK

The difference? Being cursed, thats it, oh and all the money you spend on making pancakes.

60 +10 VIT foods can be held on the equivalence of 120 pancakes

Which heals 50k per spam, which in turn heals 3 mil when all the spamming is said and done.

If the creator is wearing kiels, the pancake / giggle person wont be able to spam the item fast enough, and about 9/10 times a Asura will flat out kill anyone unless they Zerk first. The VIT food SORTA keeps up with AD damage, and even then only for 60 uses.

In reality, pancakes are inefficiant in terms of carrying capacity, zenny cost, and healing rate. The only "pro" is that of the STR buff (negligable) and no curse.

EDIT:
ALSO
inb4 the rebuttal to all this is "Lol noobs cant adapt, the decision was already made by Luzz, suck it up nub" For the easy way out.

Also waiting for the rebuttal on why a 80-94K class should be punished for something a 200K HP VERY CATERED TO class does, instead of fixing the class itself, so feel free to take a swing at it folks.


Rebuttal @ Phatnom

Excellent theory crafting, now if only EVERY player had a Toa Gunka Card, oh wait they all dont? Hmmmm Also I never said it was 50K for sure, its all based on a 200+HP LK, no Toa Involved.

Also You have to bring Toa Gunka card in to try and make it as bad as possible?

Lets take Toa Gunka card out, your "OMG 4K" becomes "omg 2K", Even my crappy 150 Str Stalker can deal better damage than that negligible 2k, and soon you have to have spammed 20 pancakes to get 20K extra HP, not that big of a deal, especially with 3+ people on you at once during WoE.


Also, why are you using this as a means to punish other players that might not have a Toa Gunka or a Lord Knight? Most people dont have a Tao to waste when they feel like it, I know I certainly dont, the only players I know of with a Toa on this server are you, Toft, and I THINK Gameii at the moment.


Stop using any version of extremes, (and I cant stress that enough, your really digging at the bottom of the barrel for worst case scenario's here, I can tell) to justify nerfing something, that people who cant use those extremes you mention, rely upon.

This is something that needs to be tested out, Nuff said, the only possible outcome that will happen is either me being right or wrong, so what is there to lose?


If anything just test it so we can drop it and have a definitive answer for "Pancakes being worse than Giggles", thats what this is all about
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[PhantomBlood]

you are really going to carry this on, to another topic? I even said in that post that even if you don't have tao, you still heal 55 - 60k HP. you aren't reading anything are you? I'm tired of this argument. Luzz should immediately lock this one too, it's nothing but a bypass of a locked topic already. Stop draggin shit on, I've tested this thoroughly and that's why I mentioned even not having tao is too much. Christ dude, grow up. The End.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au88hbUwL18
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[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Or you could just test it out, and stop trying to avoid it, that's all I am asking.

And 10% of 200K is not 55-60K, I'm sorry, your smoking some kind of drug at this point.

I just want to test this out to prove to you all that pancakes are not as bad as you claim them all to be, and even you admitted "Surely you wont go through 120 pancakes in one go, atleats I hope not." Should be more than enough recognition by you to say Pancakes do not equal invincibility.
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[PhantomBlood]

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

[PhantomBlood]

I didn't speak of cakes because if you READ assuming you can and don't have your mommy help you. In my post in the now locked topic, I spoke of the cakes healing. Now, I'm gonna use myself as an LK without tao, and say about 240k HP which I often do with no tao on. 10% heal is 24k. 9% is 21,600. now in a 10 spam period of both of those, you get 240k full health with cakes and you don't have to use panacea to heal the curse. With giggles, you get 216k. which is a 24k HP healing difference. It's still too much of a difference so knock off your childish comments. I'm far smarter than you and the sooner you face that fact the better, I've done thorough testing of many items in my 8 years across 5 servers of RO. I tested this like mad while staying off the forums, testing finished. posting made, now stop carrying on a senseless argument about something luzz already made a decision on. You are nothing but an ignorant child afraid of change. Go back to school, YOU learn math, english and whatever else you need. Stop bad mouthing someone who is 24 and finished his education.
If you can't read that my test was based on higher than 200k HP which is always the case for those classes, then you sir are not high. you have cataracts and need your eyes tested.
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[Leilani]

Krim don't feed the trolls

[PhantomBlood]

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

I said I dont care what the test outcome provides, Im proving pancakes are not as bad a giggles.

[luzz]

You two are free to continue this debate via PMs, in-game chat, email, FaceTime, smoke signals, what-have-you.

This argument is not relevant to the delay-healing-items thread, as explained in my last post in that thread.
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