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Glenfiddich
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As much as i am against it, i dont see why a melee and ranged counterpart of gtb is hated. Someone tell me again plox.
At least it equals things out a bit.
GTB - Makes magic useless
Why not make melee and ranged useless too? O.o
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:06 am |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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And for all the naysayers,
JUST SWITCH YOUR CLASSES!!!
ITS NOT THAAAAAT BIG OF A PROBLEM COULD IT BE?!?!?!? |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:58 am |
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Leilani
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There are already so many complainers...
Why give everyone something else to complain about?
The forums would be bombarded with everyone and their mom hollering about how broken said card would be.
I think GTB is enough. |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 4:02 am |
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Glenfiddich
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| Leilani wrote: | There are already so many complainers...
Why give everyone something else to complain about?
The forums would be bombarded with everyone and their mom hollering about how broken said card would be. |
Having complainers isnt a reason to stop something logical.
And like everyone says, they could just "change class". Right back in their faces 
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:08 am |
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Leilani
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The only problem I really see with that is...Although the possibility of having GTB AND this other card like GTB would be pretty low...the fact of the matter is is that all you'd have to do is shield hop, so changing classes wouldn't even be an option anymore. Whoever had both these cards would become a monster.
I think GTB is pretty reasonable as it only screws up a select few classes (HW, Proff, Some Ninjas, Some Stalkers), but this card you are talking about would affect just about everyone EXCEPT HW
The game wouldn't even be fun anymore  |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:27 am |
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Thats all we need is someone who has both and just gear switches when people change classes. I think what your looking for is a GTB Nerf which is the more logical thing, IF ANYTHING. And i wouldnt move it lower then 80 percent magic reduction
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:36 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Leilani wrote: | There are already so many complainers...
Why give everyone something else to complain about?
The forums would be bombarded with everyone and their mom hollering about how broken said card would be. |
Having complainers isnt a reason to stop something logical.
And like everyone says, they could just "change class". Right back in their faces |
INCOMING WALL OF TEXT, THOSE OF YOU WITH SHORT ATTENTION SPANS, SEEK SHELTER AT THE NEAREST VIRAL YOUTUBE VIDEO OR INTERNET MEME.
Lemme share a little bit of information with you that you may or may not currently understand...
Golden Thief Bug card, it stops magic, nuff said. How many classes in the world of Ragnarok use magic as a primary means of offense? Three. (Four is you really want to stress Priests spamming holy light >.>) So there is Lord Knight, Crusader, Assassin Cross, Stalkers, Whitesmithes, Creators, Champions, (maybe) High Priest, Snipers, Dancers/Bards Gun Slinger, Star Gladiator, and I'm really not going to bother with Soul Linker for the sheer fact I have yet to see a serious one in PvP. Twelve other classes remain largely unaffected by the GTB (Save for a magic build stalker but I digress...) which the GTB should have no direct impact upon.
To put it bluntly, ranged already has a card that stops it dead in its tracks, and that card goes on an accessory and cast Pneuma should one take too many ranged hits, thus neutralizing the Sniper class entirely (inb4 5 million post of UR PLAYING SNIPER WRONG NUB) So ranged already has its counter card, the name simply evades me at the moment as to what it is called. To sum it up, Ranged can easily be neutralized by the means of the aforementioned card.
Moving onto melee combat, the good stuff. Why neutralize one of the most widely used forms of combat? I mean what would it logically even be attached to? Not shield because the GTB has that covered, not the accessory slot because the auto-pneuma clip already called dibs on that...are we suggesting a card that could say...make on immortal? I mean lets be logical, a player can already neutralize magic and ranged AT THE SAME FREAKING TIME why in the world would you give him/her another invulnerability?
For those of you sitting at home screaming "FULL DIVEST, FULL DIVEST!" We stop thinking and realize "Oh wait...he may or may not have a creator alt account or a friend who could just simply...ya know...stop that with a simple full protect." Having a card that neutralized melee all together would imbalance the game so beyond belief, that a single character could take on INFINITE amounts of players with no fear of dying. The server would die over night should one (or multiple) players aquire said anti-melee card (should one regrettably made manifest.)
The Short and Skinny: There is already an anti magic, and an anti-ranged card, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER AN ANTI-MELEE CARD!? WHYYYYYYYY!? For those of you saying "HURR CHARACTER HOP" IT takes roughly 30 seconds for a character change, whereas the person with these cards could LOL SHIELD/ARMOR HOP in the instant push of a button .
GTB is fine the way it is, LEAVE IT ALONE, and if for some reason it is still horribly overpowered, do what other servers did, nerf it so that it doesnt nullify the damage and effects, it just reduces it by like oh say...90%? Damage is still dealt, effects would still take place, everyone is happy.
/TURBO RANT
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:41 am |
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Leilani
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On my old server GTB got nerfed to 90%....buuuut
There was also a quest to make a TGTB (True Golden Thief Bug) which stopped everything.
I guess it was a little more reasonable considering how hard the quest was.
Only problem was was that it was a high rate server so EVERYONE had a GTB. You guys got it pretty good on this server. |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:42 am |
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The only logic I could see in adding an anti-melee card that nulifies melee damage would be to have a SEVERE draw back, stat penalties out the wazoo, movement speed decreases, EXTREME health and SP penalties. I mean lets face it, half the battle of killing someone is ACTUALLY HITTING THEM, something a GTB melee alternative would make IMPOSSIBLE.
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:44 am |
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The point is GTB doesnt destroy the game, Ive played GRB server (Goldring Boss Card as it was called on there) and it ruins the game it does
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:46 am |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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OK, now that you poured your emotions into how WE feel about how this shit effects US!! How about we fix GTB being so overpowered?
And I'm sorry, but a server full of nothing but Lord Knight spam ruling the server might as well count as "game = broken" |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:28 am |
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Lol your not observant. I see way more then just lks running around.
A phyisical card not to be mean is a bad idea. Why didnt gravity think about that? cuase that jsut makes a bunch of peopel nullfying each other, and it would straight ruin pvp
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:32 am |
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It isnt like that now with GTB and Anti Arrow Cards?????? (there isnt a shortage of either, so why NOT add one more class into the "useless" list one more surely cant hurt? riiiight? riiiiiiiiight????)'
Anti Ranged and GTB and Reductions and reflect makes
Professor
Wizard
Stalker
SinX
Sniper
Champ
Priest
WhiteSmith
TaeKwan
Gunslinger
Ninja
all useless, and all these items can be put on a LK, and last I checked Paladins dont beat LK's for the same reason of reductions, and reflect, and Zerking so thats 11/13 classes, save a Acid Demo spamming creator. |
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:33 am |
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So your definition of a broken server, is an unobserved look at how useless half of those are when i see a good number of all of them. You go get a GTB and a errende ebeece clip and come meet me any day.
Maybe a demonstration will help.
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| You get me those cards I will gladly make your day 5 times over. |
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