[Bubbaknoxz]

Ok its time to revisit the removal of holy scrolls and undead scrolls again. I've noticed this quite a bit the last few days in pvp, battle priest are getting shafted by holy scroll. Now we all know the main skill for a battle priest is Holy Light, now as the name suggest its holy property, which means 'Miss Miss'. Does that make it fair for those who use priest for pvp or woe? Now I'm ok with the scrolls being used for hunting and lvling, but for pvp and woe they should be removed much like berries and seeds.

We can use the argument, priest can get another char, but these scrolls affect more than just priest. It affects, every class in its own way, sniper's can't use the arrow that gives the most dmg hands down, silver. Wizzy and prof, reduces their dmg quite a bit, sometimes even negates their damage. Along with the other classes which I will let ppl figure out how they affect them.

So in conclusion I say we remove both scrolls from pvp and woe, however leave them for lvling purposes only which they are designed for. If Aesprika was considered too much for pvp and woe, these I believe are also too much.



Lets try to keep this thread civil, thank you and voice your opinions.
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[Kiku-Ichiomonjii]

I agree with ya bro,
i'd leave my opinion but you have everything covered in your post lol
i see no reason why to keep um in pvp anyways,hunt angeling if you want holy

[marine]

i voted yes , however i like the idea of undead scroll staying and holy scrolls goin off , because u can be holy armor while wearin marc , garm , pest , w/e u can be holy .. now if u have angeling u will be frozen u wont freeze the other .

idk , i say holy scrolls go away , undead scrolls stays .
maybe a trial or a test wht would be worst both scrolls or asprika .

[GlitchyVirus]

Sure, let's take it out. But we need to address some other issues along with that. We need to remove Basilica. There is like, absolutely no way to bypass that shit! So cheap. Pnuema stops Snipers and Creators alike. Get rid of it please. GTB totally shuts down Magic Users! Remove it! Take Maya with it D: Having 0 Vit shouldn't make AD do no damage, that completely takes away the point of the class! Make it the lowest you can reach is 1+0!

Have I made my point? No one gives a crap about battle priests being shut down by holy scrolls, stop being silly and go change characters to something that can actually kill something decently. If you use a Sniper and use Holy Arrows, be smart and switch to shadow and you do MORE damage now. EVEN better, MAIN shadow arrows. So it reduces damage from Magic Classes? Prof can Dispell, make them waste their scrolls if they INSIST on using them. They using GTB so you can't Dispell? You lost already, go switch.

You have no real defense on this. Give it up.
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[NightShade]

Why remove skills, cards, etc when they Belong on a server? Talking about this being someone who doesn't need scrolls Period

I see them as a BS way to bump up your resistance against a magic user, 30% resistance from your garment, 20 from Undead scroll, Not to mention Holy scroll AND you can wear whatever armor you can possibly want. ALL at the Same time mind you.

And it was kinda funny seeing as how you talk about dispell this and dispell that, Remember how many Maya cards run wild on this server? Who in their right mind wants to use a Prof and die to their own magic?

I bet the only reason why you want to keep the scrolls in is because it's your only way out from fighting an Lk, or any other class for that matter.

- Fire Immune, Can't Mag Break.
- Earth Immune, Wizzy's are useless vsing a Sinx in hide.

I can keep going.
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[Zebruh]

Adam, shut up.

If you want to argue the right way, argue with facts and evidence.

Evidence why the scrolls should stay:

... Well, I don't have any. It's a real sissy-move. Like spamming healing items in the PvP arena.

I vote they go.
I used to think they were originally a part of the update, but I know better, now.
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[Glenfiddich]

And with that new fire resist helm... like wtf. I now will vote get rid of em, i want them both gone now, not just the holy one. Makes things more even
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[PhantomBlood]

I agree with the removal and I'm not even a wizard I'm an LK in woe, holy scrolls help me immensely so do undead but that's the problem. I'm not the only one that those scrolls are overpowering and they need to be removed or banned from woe/pvp at the very least. Holy scroll gives the exact effect of Angeling card uhhh o.O? that completely defeats the purpose of even having an angeling card on the server, as for undead scroll they just add TOO much resistance stacked with everything else. combine that with the now OP'd pisces helm 30% resistance to fire, i can be immune to both fire and water at the same time if i wanted to.

There is too much damn resistance and it's getting to the point where wizards are becoming useless, it isn't enough they deal with 100mdef builds and GTB's but now anyone can have immune to fire and water at the same time? I think i've made my point. **Those 2 scrolls gotta go asap**
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NOTHING will be changed. NO skills will be changed.

TO ADAM. :
Luzz : What we will not change

1. We will not change official behavior for any official skill, item, class, quest. This is not to say that there aren't any exceptions to this rule, but know that it will very unlikely happen. If you really do want to suggest something that goes against this rule, please try to state good arguments for your cause.

2. Maps. We will not edit official maps.

3. Client edits. We cannot make any changes to the game client.

[marine]

i like if scrolls goes away and asprika is put in , give a whole sence to make the god item , reduces less than holy+undead , at not be u actually wear angeling but then u can be frozen u cant reflect figures..

some feedback on this? maybe we could test asprika without scrolls , nerfin scroll script or something like to be useles item .

[Zebruh]

Asprika was taken out already. It used to be in there.
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[marine]

[Glenfiddich]

Aesprika should remain removed, and scrolls should be removed. If aesprika comes back, the imbalance would be horrible. Aesprika even reduces neutral and saves having to swap manteaus.
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[PhantomBlood]

This is gonna be a long post about my opinion of why aesprika should stay removed even with the scrolls removed, here goes... Everything I'm about to tell you is what I can achieve in terms of elemental immunity WITHOUT scrolls and with aesprika:

1. Aesprika's 30% resistance to ALL elements + valk shield = 30% to everything and 20% more to fire/water, use a water resist pot for 70% to water, 50% to fire. Pisces Helm with that even if marine's suggestion takes place and it changes from 30% res to fire to 15% res from fire AND water I can still achieve immunity to both fire and water at the same time even if Pisces helm only resists 15% of one of those elements. (yes water resist pot makes you weaker to wind but i tested this in pvp and your 30% resistance from wind with aesprika still makes you take less than you would without it )

2. Aesprika is a garment with a whole bunch of elemental card slots (that might sound strange i'll explain) aesprika has a hode card, dustiness card, a more powerful raydric card, marse card, jakk card omg the list goes on. Unbanning Aesprika from woe means everyone goes back to being forced to use it. I remember when it was in if you didn't have aesprika you are pretty much dead because guaranteed you are taking 30% more damage than your opponent and don't even get me started on what happens when you throw thara frog into the mix, it's not pretty.

3. Even people who's main char is a Wizard are saying they'd rather deal with Aesprika than the scrolls, duh? so would I, both scrolls stacked are more powerful than aesprika but why should wizzies deal with either of them? as stated in reason "1" I can make their MS and SG useless while taking dramatically less damage from all their other attacks. You're shutting down wizards with all this resistance and defeating the purpose of team work, the whole idea of woe is to work as a well oiled machine, a strong unit who's skills support eachother. All this resistance enables a skilled player to take down 6 other moderately skilled people by himself without help (i know cause i've done it) no i'm not bragging I'm saying crap like that should never happen unless there's 6 enemy n00bs in your emp room. even a normal player can manage to achieve 100mdef build and then there's GTB card which I believe 9 or 10 active players currently have, there's enough ways to stop spells without tossing in a ton of resistance defeating the purpose of working as a team.

4. As for a single player strategy, by using aesprika you're reducing or pretty much eliminating the need for garment switching. without aesprika i'm forced to often switch between marse, jakk, raydric, hode etc pending on the situation. with aesprika... "oh look i have them all at the same time XD" as stated in reason "2". If our goal is to make woe more exciting then our goal is to also make it more challenging, we're losing a big part of that by allowing aesprika back in woe. I'm sure you might think well who would use a pure elemental resist build... um i would if there's an emp room full of wizzies and/or spell casting ninja's not to mention in pvp. removing resistance doesn't mean wizzies can smite you at the very site of you, it means they have to be more careful of maya cause the more damage they deal the more damage sent back to them. it adds for a nice twist and adding aesprika for many reasons stated here so far needs to stay out.

I think I've covered everything in terms of aesprika, i didn't bother mentioning it's +30 flee as I am now o.O lol because even though combined with the rest of flee gear you can achieve like 700 flee not including P dodge, flee builds are taking big risks with low vit and die rather fast as long as the enemy has a phree or 2 which isn't hard to come by. It's the elemental resistance that's the problem hence why that was my main focus, anyway even though my opinion is rather strong my mind isn't closed to other ideas. I'm interested in hearing what others have to say about this =)
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