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PhantomBlood
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| dartsith098 wrote: | healing items in woe doesn't heal that much
why put delay on it?
and these items is up to the players to hunt or not |
Wow really? are you serious? are you really sure about that? hmmmm... no I suppose a cake that heals 15% and has NO delay on it isn't a whole lot with no reprecussions, all's we gotta do is hunt honey which is a "cake" walk. oh and let's not forget the +10 vit foods being used now, 25% heals no delay, 4 nice and quick spams and your fully healed.
I don't know what your version of "a lot" of healing is, but 15 - 25% is overkill. At least luzz is banning 20% or more and 3 second delay on below. I'm actually quite excited to see that happen.
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| Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:10 pm |
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | | dartsith098 wrote: | healing items in woe doesn't heal that much
why put delay on it?
and these items is up to the players to hunt or not |
Wow really? are you serious? are you really sure about that? hmmmm... no I suppose a cake that heals 15% and has NO delay on it isn't a whole lot with no reprecussions, all's we gotta do is hunt honey which is a "cake" walk. oh and let's not forget the +10 vit foods being used now, 25% heals no delay, 4 nice and quick spams and your fully healed.
I don't know what your version of "a lot" of healing is, but 15 - 25% is overkill. At least luzz is banning 20% or more and 3 second delay on below. I'm actually quite excited to see that happen. |
Now I ask...are YOU serious? What magical cake that requires honey heals 15%? I swear every time you bring this up, the % of what a pancake heals increases.
I checked RMS for the official healing statistics of a pancake...
Lutie Lady's Pancake Item ID# 12045 (Str_Dish05)
Type Healing Item Class n/a Buy 10000z Sell 5000z Weight 50
Description A sweet pancake made by Thachentze, the kind lady chef living in Lutie.
STR + 5
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{ sc_start SC_STRFOOD, 1200000, 5; percentheal 10,0; },{},{}
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percentheal 10,0 = 10% Max HP healed. Which is 1% more healed than the Giggling Box, at 250% the weight. I fail to see how these are such an issue, PVP and WoE results considered.
Source: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=pancake&itype=-1&page=item_db&quick=1&isearch=Search
http://irowiki.org/wiki/Cooking#collapsibleTable0 (Listed in the STR food section collapsible table)
That comes down to 10%, not 15%. Quit trying to make up numbers to make your claim seem more correct. I have yet to encounter someone with the +10 VIT food en masse yet, so I sorta find these claims of +10 VIT food spammers to be rather...exaggerated.
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| Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:28 pm |
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This has already been accepted, stop complaining and hopefully a GM will lock this thread.
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| Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:44 pm |
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GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT
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Wow this makes me GIGGLES, 1% making such a huge uproar, and with 250% more weight, wow...... this forum makes me giggles.
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| Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:12 am |
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durh just remove heal items from woe already, lets have like a deadly battle instead of seeing who can spam it faster or has more giggles or pancakes.
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| RedCladius wrote: | | durh just remove heal items from woe already, lets have like a deadly battle instead of seeing who can spam it faster or has more giggles or pancakes. |
That would make defenders, potion pitcher users lives far too easy and make them unmovable if they were the only source of heals.
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | | PhantomBlood wrote: | | dartsith098 wrote: | healing items in woe doesn't heal that much
why put delay on it?
and these items is up to the players to hunt or not |
Wow really? are you serious? are you really sure about that? hmmmm... no I suppose a cake that heals 15% and has NO delay on it isn't a whole lot with no reprecussions, all's we gotta do is hunt honey which is a "cake" walk. oh and let's not forget the +10 vit foods being used now, 25% heals no delay, 4 nice and quick spams and your fully healed.
I don't know what your version of "a lot" of healing is, but 15 - 25% is overkill. At least luzz is banning 20% or more and 3 second delay on below. I'm actually quite excited to see that happen. |
Now I ask...are YOU serious? What magical cake that requires honey heals 15%? I swear every time you bring this up, the % of what a pancake heals increases.
I checked RMS for the official healing statistics of a pancake...
Lutie Lady's Pancake Item ID# 12045 (Str_Dish05)
Type Healing Item Class n/a Buy 10000z Sell 5000z Weight 50
Description A sweet pancake made by Thachentze, the kind lady chef living in Lutie.
STR + 5
Item Script
{ sc_start SC_STRFOOD, 1200000, 5; percentheal 10,0; },{},{}
Dropped By No Result
percentheal 10,0 = 10% Max HP healed. Which is 1% more healed than the Giggling Box, at 250% the weight. I fail to see how these are such an issue, PVP and WoE results considered.
Source: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=pancake&itype=-1&page=item_db&quick=1&isearch=Search
http://irowiki.org/wiki/Cooking#collapsibleTable0 (Listed in the STR food section collapsible table)
That comes down to 10%, not 15%. Quit trying to make up numbers to make your claim seem more correct. I have yet to encounter someone with the +10 VIT food en masse yet, so I sorta find these claims of +10 VIT food spammers to be rather...exaggerated. |
Dont forget it costs 100K + money to make a batch of 100 as well, a fair cost for not being cursed I think when combined with their weight.
Honestly, I think pancakes need to be buffed. Maybe then they would live up to all the hype I am reading about them.
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| Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:10 am |
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| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | | PhantomBlood wrote: | | dartsith098 wrote: | healing items in woe doesn't heal that much
why put delay on it?
and these items is up to the players to hunt or not |
Wow really? are you serious? are you really sure about that? hmmmm... no I suppose a cake that heals 15% and has NO delay on it isn't a whole lot with no reprecussions, all's we gotta do is hunt honey which is a "cake" walk. oh and let's not forget the +10 vit foods being used now, 25% heals no delay, 4 nice and quick spams and your fully healed.
I don't know what your version of "a lot" of healing is, but 15 - 25% is overkill. At least luzz is banning 20% or more and 3 second delay on below. I'm actually quite excited to see that happen. |
Now I ask...are YOU serious? What magical cake that requires honey heals 15%? I swear every time you bring this up, the % of what a pancake heals increases.
I checked RMS for the official healing statistics of a pancake...
Lutie Lady's Pancake Item ID# 12045 (Str_Dish05)
Type Healing Item Class n/a Buy 10000z Sell 5000z Weight 50
Description A sweet pancake made by Thachentze, the kind lady chef living in Lutie.
STR + 5
Item Script
{ sc_start SC_STRFOOD, 1200000, 5; percentheal 10,0; },{},{}
Dropped By No Result
percentheal 10,0 = 10% Max HP healed. Which is 1% more healed than the Giggling Box, at 250% the weight. I fail to see how these are such an issue, PVP and WoE results considered.
Source: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?iname=pancake&itype=-1&page=item_db&quick=1&isearch=Search
http://irowiki.org/wiki/Cooking#collapsibleTable0 (Listed in the STR food section collapsible table)
That comes down to 10%, not 15%. Quit trying to make up numbers to make your claim seem more correct. I have yet to encounter someone with the +10 VIT food en masse yet, so I sorta find these claims of +10 VIT food spammers to be rather...exaggerated. |
Statement also retracted.
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EDIT: Statement retracted. Thank you Krim, I to was out of line with what I said.
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i'm too tired and sick, and dizzy to read all that. i was out of line on a few things I said. either way, back to what this is about. the cakes are too much heal man. you gotta see that. when you fight someone in woe and they're spammin that shit. it's like your trying to take down 30x the players total health. it's over powered man.
I'm prepping an account to begin running ET 3 times a week. you get 8 - 16 vit foods per run. I might be the only one who would do that. needless to say I don't have a TON of time on my hands. it takes me 2 and a half hours to run ET 3 times from bottom to top
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | it's like your trying to take down 30x the players total health. it's over powered man.
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i need healing items too to kill 30 people! 
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Just rummaged through half of the bullshit in this thread, and noticed a few things -
1. The ones who cling so tightly to keeping Pancakes the same, are the ones who Cannot*, and I use that term correctly, win without them.
2. People lack the knowledge of how much percentage can vary given the right equations. 1(One) may be a lonely number, but 1%(One Percent) sure as hell isn't lonely.
And 3. This is really pathetic, it's as plain as day that Pancakes need a nerf, but like I said with 1, they'll forever cling~
Also, LOL@Whoever said Pancakes need a Buff.
I agree with WoE without healing items, aside from Slim/Heal/Pot Pitcher/Etc. Don't complain about people with Kiels, Get Bragi. Less Compaining Because People Have Gear.
Really... Like, Really.
Now back to my Dead Space 2 grind. Tootles~
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| NightShade wrote: | Just rummaged through half of the bullshit in this thread, and noticed a few things -
1. The ones who cling so tightly to keeping Pancakes the same, are the ones who Cannot*, and I use that term correctly, win without them.
2. People lack the knowledge of how much percentage can vary given the right equations. 1(One) may be a lonely number, but 1%(One Percent) sure as hell isn't lonely.
And 3. This is really pathetic, it's as plain as day that Pancakes need a nerf, but like I said with 1, they'll forever cling~
Also, LOL@Whoever said Pancakes need a Buff.
I agree with WoE without healing items, aside from Slim/Heal/Pot Pitcher/Etc. Don't complain about people with Kiels, Get Bragi. Less Compaining Because People Have Gear.
Really... Like, Really.
Now back to my Dead Space 2 grind. Tootles~ |
Well no offense, but stop making pancakes sound worst than the holocaust, its one god damn percent.
Hell why dont you be a good, fair, sport, and get on your LK. We'll have someone get on their LK seeing as I dont have a LK or Pally, and you will both wear no gears at all, and have all your stats dumped into vit 255, nothing else.
One will spam pancakes one will spam giggles and well see if one percent difference and the weight difference will bring the eternity of calamity and doom upon us as you say it will.
We will also need 2 Alchemists, same thing, no gears Just INT and 150 Dex, and Ill pay for the bottles if need be.
I will even pay for both stat resets for the 4 people, and it will only take about 5 minutes if not less.
Sound good? If not quitcherbitchin, shut up and sit down.
If the difference is notably vast, then yes they might need to be toned down.
If not, then you all need to shut it and stop whining that people are using something aside from giggles, which you all have a major market for selling if pancakes did get effected.
This wont take that much time, and it wont take any money form anyone else considering I will be affording it so you have no reason to say no.
To save costs, the max amount will be 30 of each item. (Pancakes/Giggles)\
And before you say "Ill forget my awesome 1337 build" write it down on a piece of paper, if you have a computer, I will assume you can write a short note on a little notepad.
We can have Luzz judge it too if you would be pleased, that way he can also make sure no-one on either side might be wearing any gears.
Hell and before anyone asks You can hold 300 giggles to every 120 pancakes.
5.4 mil + health for 300 giggles used, based on a 200k HP or greater LK
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2.4 mil + from 120 pancakes based on a 200K HP or greater LK
The difference? Being cursed, thats it, oh and all the money you spend on making pancakes.
60 +10 VIT foods can be held on the equivalence of 120 pancakes
Which heals 50k per spam, which in turn heals 3 mil when all the spamming is said and done.
If the creator is wearing kiels, the pancake / giggle person wont be able to spam the item fast enough, and about 9/10 times a Asura will flat out kill anyone unless they Zerk first. The VIT food SORTA keeps up with AD damage, and even then only for 60 uses.
In reality, pancakes are inefficiant in terms of carrying capacity, zenny cost, and healing rate. The only "pro" is that of the STR buff (negligable) and no curse.
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inb4 the rebuttal to all this is "Lol noobs cant adapt, the decision was already made by Luzz, suck it up nub" For the easy way out.
Also waiting for the rebuttal on why a 80-94K class should be punished for something a 200K HP VERY CATERED TO class does, instead of fixing the class itself, so feel free to take a swing at it folks.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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| Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:41 am |
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i believe 2 pages ago Luzz already decided that there will be a 3 second cooldown added to healing items in woe.
so now we're just waiting.
no need to argue it anymore. Luzz made his decision.
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| AbaraiGirl wrote: | i believe 2 pages ago Luzz already decided that there will be a 3 second cooldown added to healing items in woe.
so now we're just waiting.
no need to argue it anymore. Luzz made his decision. |
Called it, called it so hard, here, have my reaction image.
Old news is old, either way I still want to test this just to prove to you whats what so you can all stop your petty whining about how unfair and unjust a item you just so happen to not like is, when the item you want people to use is something you have hundreds of ready to be sold.
There is absolutely no reason you could possibly have to say no, unless you value your 5 minutes of time so much that its a crime to spend it on someone like me wanting to prove something.
I mean there is nothing to lose, Im paying for it, and you are "Already getting your way" so what harm could possibly be done?
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| EdgarGrimfang wrote: |
Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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You all fail. Vit foods > pancake.
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