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Yes.
61%
 61%  [ 40 ]
No.
24%
 24%  [ 16 ]
Indifferent.
13%
 13%  [ 9 ]
Total Votes : 65

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Wow.. I thought I would give this thread some time to settle and collect more opinions. Sure enough, more votes collected, but nothing insightful was said in the past 2 pages.

Well, here goes:

Clarification on random essences
Every chest will have a chance of dropping an essence token. I will calculate the chance of getting any essence from any chest, and use that percentage as the drop rate of the essence token (last I calculated this, it was about 11%). The token is then taken to the essence redeemer NPC, who will grant 1 RANDOM essence per token.

IPs and such
The last time I view this thread, it was about 8 Yes, 11 No, and 1 Indifferent, if I remembered correctly (it was near these numbers). Now, the numbers have changed a lot. I am uncertain if it is because of people speaking to me in game for clarification, or some other reason(s). As such, I decided to check IPs to make sure that there isn't rampant vote stuffing and/or proxy usage. Here is that data:

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12.198.106.131
24.94.93.174            cpe-24-94-93-174.hawaii.res.rr.com
24.220.242.200          host-200-242-220-24.midco.net
64.18.166.132           dsl1-132.express.oricom.ca
66.65.53.30             cpe-66-65-53-30.nyc.res.rr.com
67.232.120.69           tx-67-232-120-69.dhcp.embarqhsd.net
68.12.204.21            ip68-12-204-21.ok.ok.cox.net
68.50.92.208            c-68-50-92-208.hsd1.md.comcast.net
68.61.126.104           c-68-61-126-104.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
68.115.107.226          68-115-107-226.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com
68.148.225.211          S01060014bf18d641.ed.shawcable.net
69.171.178.19
70.24.54.181            bas3-toronto46-1175991989.dsl.bell.ca
70.105.2.192            pool-70-105-2-192.rich.east.verizon.net
71.255.105.36           pool-71-255-105-36.phlapa.east.verizon.net
72.187.59.126           126-59.187-72.tampabay.res.rr.com
76.107.27.128           c-76-107-27-128.hsd1.la.comcast.net
76.184.149.94           cpe-76-184-149-94.tx.res.rr.com
96.248.84.231           pool-96-248-84-231.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net
98.141.39.100           static-98-141-39-100.dsl.cavtel.net
98.221.195.50           c-98-221-195-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
98.221.195.50           c-98-221-195-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net
98.227.27.171           c-98-227-27-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net
98.227.27.171           c-98-227-27-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net
98.227.142.100          c-98-227-142-100.hsd1.il.comcast.net
98.231.95.39            c-98-231-95-39.hsd1.fl.comcast.net
108.2.18.73             pool-108-2-18-73.phlapa.east.verizon.net
108.72.97.229           adsl-108-72-97-229.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net
110.139.89.30           30.subnet110-139-89.speedy.telkom.net.id
110.159.255.89
121.54.46.34
125.200.41.78           p3078-ipbf206aobadori.miyagi.ocn.ne.jp
151.213.184.111         h111.184.213.151.dynamic.ip.windstream.net
173.186.48.247          h247.48.186.173.dynamic.ip.windstream.net
174.91.250.137          bas3-sthubert21-2925263497.dsl.bell.ca
174.148.96.126          174-148-96-126.pools.spcsdns.net
175.144.172.160
201.252.57.114          host114.201-252-57.telecom.net.ar
202.124.75.204
203.82.92.61
203.82.94.97


The IPs that have no hostname attached are all international IPs (PH, AU, MY, etc) It appears to me as if some of the international players are putting in their vote. I did not see proxy voting - only one or two of these IPs are potentially a proxy server.


Breakdown of Original Suggestions
As I have mentioned, each of my 3 suggestions were to target 3 of the most common complaints I heard about WoE (inconvenient times [too late], not enough action due to too many open castles, and hard to get certain essences). What I should have done, was to make three separate suggestion threads. It appears to me, from what is written on these pages, and what is voiced to me in-game, that the majority of people agree on #3. MOST people prefer or are indifferent to #1 (sorry to the few that are against it), and #2 is on the fence.

Keep in mind that these three suggestions are independent of each other, and can be trialed/implemented/ignore independent of each other.


Trial Periods
It has been pointed out that I should have made it clear that we ALWAYS have trial periods for any WoE changes to see how players react to the proposed changes and what the general consensus is. It should also be noted that _no_ WoE setting is setting in stone. Anything that is done, can be undone.


This all said:

1. #3 Random essences will be trialed and implemented unless someone has a good reason against it.

2. #1 Time differences - So far, I've only heard 2 people against this. I would like to trial this, but would like to have more opinions on it before we do so (international players - time for you to speak up, or hold your peace).

3. #2 Format change - I really would like to trial this for a week or two. Perhaps we can trial a few different formats/suggestions (maybe 1 week each for each trial) and then have players vote on which trial they enjoyed the most, or drop the whole format change altogether.


I'll give you all time to discuss more. In the meantime, I'll start working on a generic rotation script, and random essence chests and NPC(s).


(Really - stop the dramatic posts. If you guys must be dramatic, please be dramatic to my suggestions, not to each other. Thank you Very Happy )

(Why do I always write so much?)
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Trial it sounds good.

I believe even all the haters will change their minds once giving a few suggestions a go.
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luzz wrote:
Clarification on random essences
Every chest will have a chance of dropping an essence token. I will calculate the chance of getting any essence from any chest, and use that percentage as the drop rate of the essence token (last I calculated this, it was about 11%). The token is then taken to the essence redeemer NPC, who will grant 1 RANDOM essence per token.


Excellent! Thanks Luzz. My vote for this one becomes yes, because the drop rate of essences will accurately represent the current drop rate of essences. The exact essence you get will simply be random.

Here is a detailed three-part vote:

1. Yes. I like the earlier time proposal
2. Yes. However, I do prefer Glenfiddich's idea of rotating (at least once in a while) the Castle Realm that the "One-hour Single Castle" belongs to, just to keep it fresh.
3. Yes. Read above =]
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Bump.
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hmmm i rather like the options. and i can see why some people would hate the number 2 one. but guys. this server needs to STOP the all of us vs one guild shit. sorry for cursing

sos arent that bad. i have had some problems with them in the past, certain members, but the fact is...they are that good lol. with or without cards. they have what most of you dont..experience.

and trust me. i know from experience that they can be beaten. sometimes its not as easy as just hack hack hack slash. you need strategy and more importantly a TEAM to back you up. woe isnt a one man slaughter fest, its about a team, a guild banding together to fight a common foe.

In my nearly 3 years of being here ive learned quiet a bit from them, and from others. so stop being selfish brats and think about the server for a change.

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dragonbug wrote:
hmmm i rather like the options. and i can see why some people would hate the number 2 one. but guys. this server needs to STOP the all of us vs one guild shit. sorry for cursing

sos arent that bad. i have had some problems with them in the past, certain members, but the fact is...they are that good lol. with or without cards. they have what most of you dont..experience.

and trust me. i know from experience that they can be beaten. sometimes its not as easy as just hack hack hack slash. you need strategy and more importantly a TEAM to back you up. woe isnt a one man slaughter fest, its about a team, a guild banding together to fight a common foe.

In my nearly 3 years of being here ive learned quiet a bit from them, and from others. so stop being selfish brats and think about the server for a change.

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When are these changes going into effect?
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Bubbaknoxz wrote:
When are these changes going into effect?


Was just thinking the same thing after reading through the bullshit to get to useful info...such as what you asked...
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y not try to test this WoE asap
i still waiting to try this..
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When is the trial?
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I think just keep it the way it is. No matter how much you change woe. People are gonna whine. People are gonna complain. I say just leave it the way it is. The current way of woe is fair in my opinion. Nothing wrong with it, but people just like to complain about every little thing and ruin it for everyone else.
Now on the topic at hand. I would not like to see this happen. why? because i dont agree with #2 first hour 1 castle next hour 5. As many of you have said the larger guild will dominate and there is no chance for the little guilds and will force them into larger ones. Im a fan of smaller guilds and i say y should we make them delete there guild and join another? I like the fact that there are smaller guilds now and puttin this into affect will suck for them. They wont stand a chance and will be dominated. and with out #2 the random esses will lead to everyone just campin 1 castle. and thats not the way woe was meant to be.
Was meant so everyone had a chance to own a castle to get esses and meant that you would fight for it and not have to get a no name castle and just sit for the other hour and fifty mins doing nothing. I honestly believe changing the current system will result in a worse woe situation for everyone. You will recieve more complaints about the new than the old.
So to save everyone trouble in the future just keep woe the way it is.
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Well For us Afrians and Europeans the times for the WoE's are

Monday - 12pm
Wednesday- 4am
Saturday - 8 pm

Unless we dont have school/college or get up really early, we could only make one~~~

You said let us okes speak up Very Happy


Maybe each WoE has 1 area ( Monday - Pront ) ( Wednesday - Payon ) (Saturday - Yuno/rachel whatever), 2 hours still.

Yeah since so little of us , i think no one would agree Very Happy
Well anyway, my oppinion
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tehdarke wrote:
I think just keep it the way it is. No matter how much you change woe. People are gonna whine. People are gonna complain. I say just leave it the way it is. The current way of woe is fair in my opinion. Nothing wrong with it, but people just like to complain about every little thing and ruin it for everyone else.
Now on the topic at hand. I would not like to see this happen. why? because i dont agree with #2 first hour 1 castle next hour 5. As many of you have said the larger guild will dominate and there is no chance for the little guilds and will force them into larger ones. Im a fan of smaller guilds and i say y should we make them delete there guild and join another? I like the fact that there are smaller guilds now and puttin this into affect will suck for them. They wont stand a chance and will be dominated. and with out #2 the random esses will lead to everyone just campin 1 castle. and thats not the way woe was meant to be.
Was meant so everyone had a chance to own a castle to get esses and meant that you would fight for it and not have to get a no name castle and just sit for the other hour and fifty mins doing nothing. I honestly believe changing the current system will result in a worse woe situation for everyone. You will recieve more complaints about the new than the old.
So to save everyone trouble in the future just keep woe the way it is.



The current WOE system blows dick... 10 castles for barely 60 people... That means 6 people per castle IF that, and thats a big fking IF.

If you have a small guild, man the fk up, grow a pair, and get better. Or get absorbed into a bigger guild. WoE wasn't made for the little guilds to get shit easy.

And what large guilds are there in this server? Ichiban? WoF? KoF? SOS? We have 13 actives for WOE! That's a big number right there WOOO HOOOO!!!! Go play on a server that has a population of at least 1000 to see how a real WOE is. Till then you haven't seen a WOE.

To say you don't want a change because people whine is crazy. Do you ever wonder why the server population hasn't grown in the last 2 years? We have more merchants on then ACTIVE players. Shit needs to change or else nothing can happen to make people stay.

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Wednesday 9pm-11pm
Satuday 1pm-3pm

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Bubbaknoxz wrote:
tehdarke wrote:
I think just keep it the way it is. No matter how much you change woe. People are gonna whine. People are gonna complain. I say just leave it the way it is. The current way of woe is fair in my opinion. Nothing wrong with it, but people just like to complain about every little thing and ruin it for everyone else.
Now on the topic at hand. I would not like to see this happen. why? because i dont agree with #2 first hour 1 castle next hour 5. As many of you have said the larger guild will dominate and there is no chance for the little guilds and will force them into larger ones. Im a fan of smaller guilds and i say y should we make them delete there guild and join another? I like the fact that there are smaller guilds now and puttin this into affect will suck for them. They wont stand a chance and will be dominated. and with out #2 the random esses will lead to everyone just campin 1 castle. and thats not the way woe was meant to be.
Was meant so everyone had a chance to own a castle to get esses and meant that you would fight for it and not have to get a no name castle and just sit for the other hour and fifty mins doing nothing. I honestly believe changing the current system will result in a worse woe situation for everyone. You will recieve more complaints about the new than the old.
So to save everyone trouble in the future just keep woe the way it is.



The current WOE system blows dick... 10 castles for barely 60 people... That means 6 people per castle IF that, and thats a big fking IF.

If you have a small guild, man the fk up, grow a pair, and get better. Or get absorbed into a bigger guild. WoE wasn't made for the little guilds to get shit easy.

And what large guilds are there in this server? Ichiban? WoF? KoF? SOS? We have 13 actives for WOE! That's a big number right there WOOO HOOOO!!!! Go play on a server that has a population of at least 1000 to see how a real WOE is. Till then you haven't seen a WOE.

To say you don't want a change because people whine is crazy. Do you ever wonder why the server population hasn't grown in the last 2 years? We have more merchants on then ACTIVE players. Shit needs to change or else nothing can happen to make people stay.

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Eastern Time Zone...

Monday 5am-7am
Wednesday 9pm-11pm
Satuday 1pm-3pm

I have no problems making it to all 3 if I wanted to and I go to college....


Your right o_O I never looked at it that way,
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all guild which active in woe will gather in 1 castle and it will be exciting.=)
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