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Glenfiddich wrote:
You have got to be kidding me


Thinking about other players yet you said that post.

Seems like to me you just want to be a figure to "block" people from SOS trying to pass idea's that actually reduce people having to cheat to win. Since majority of the things that were posted, that were from members of SOS, You denied saying the same exact thing you said just now. "Thinking about the other players."
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NightShade wrote:
Glenfiddich wrote:
You have got to be kidding me


Thinking about other players yet you said that post.

Seems like to me you just want to be a figure to "block" people from SOS trying to pass idea's that actually reduce people having to cheat to win. Since majority of the things that were posted, that were from members of SOS, You denied saying the same exact thing you said just now. "Thinking about the other players."



First of all, not everyone agreed to ur post. and glenfiddich was one of them. I did not agree either. [: He is free to expresh his feeling in anyway. if it hurt you, well go get a band-aid and dun cry. we have nothing against sos and that what you want GMS to think. we are thinking about other players, but some have different views than one another. so kindly i say ^^ stop saying stuff if it ain't true pls. SOS is a friendly guild, as dreams, and any other guild is. we fight woe for fun and we play for fun. people do NOT hate each other and that what you want gms to think. personally i see that in all topic you add, u say everything about ppl hating SOS. well u say that so gm's can feel bad for u? i don't get it. there is creator and many of them to be arguing about an ahura. it was made for players. and people wan to change everything in the server. it is fine the way it is, and i dun think any more changes are requierd. we shud be focusing on new stuff. not "FIXING" old stuff.
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Glenfiddich wrote:
Effort or no effort, the results are still there, which is what counts.

I withdraw from this argument now. I dont use fcp, so really, i shouldnt care less :-S

Was just thinking about other players.


u look like a volunteer lawyer..... are u a debater? =p (jk)

luzz wrote:

(Yes, it is perfectly clear that Angra and Ahura are solely for player vs. monsters. Why wouldn't Ahura's FCP be restricted from WoE and PvP?)


since our admin already give out his "rules" for angra and ahura, and u not using it, why you strongly against this?? Rolling Eyes

let the "other players" voice out themselves, maybe this is not a big problem for them to dual client, or the guild leader very kind to make a creator for FCP like the warper for WoE.. Very Happy

p.s. :if i not mistake, u are the one that said in Ragnarok never balance for each job and need party for battle(or something like that), so let the creator help the "other players". Very Happy
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Nyano wrote:
NightShade wrote:
Glenfiddich wrote:
You have got to be kidding me


Thinking about other players yet you said that post.

Seems like to me you just want to be a figure to "block" people from SOS trying to pass idea's that actually reduce people having to cheat to win. Since majority of the things that were posted, that were from members of SOS, You denied saying the same exact thing you said just now. "Thinking about the other players."



First of all, not everyone agreed to ur post. and glenfiddich was one of them. I did not agree either. [: He is free to expresh his feeling in anyway. if it hurt you, well go get a band-aid and dun cry. we have nothing against sos and that what you want GMS to think. we are thinking about other players, but some have different views than one another. so kindly i say ^^ stop saying stuff if it ain't true pls. SOS is a friendly guild, as dreams, and any other guild is. we fight woe for fun and we play for fun. people do NOT hate each other and that what you want gms to think. personally i see that in all topic you add, u say everything about ppl hating SOS. well u say that so gm's can feel bad for u? i don't get it. there is creator and many of them to be arguing about an ahura. it was made for players. and people wan to change everything in the server. it is fine the way it is, and i dun think any more changes are requierd. we shud be focusing on new stuff. not "FIXING" old stuff.


Can you get me a Band-Aid then? I feel hurteded. Sad -Sarcasm
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kinness wrote:

let the "other players" voice out themselves, maybe this is not a big problem for them to dual client, or the guild leader very kind to make a creator for FCP like the warper for WoE.. Very Happy


Not all players go on the forums.


NightShade wrote:

Seems like to me you just want to be a figure to "block" people from SOS trying to pass idea's that actually reduce people having to cheat to win.


Glenfiddich wrote:
Effort or no effort, the results are still there, which is what counts.

I withdraw from this argument now. I dont use fcp, so really, i shouldnt care less :-S


FCP is cheating now is it? Just cause it is not coming from ahura(in woe) now does not stop the skill. I have nothing against SoS, and i dont know why people are against you. I have even agreed with some of your guys'z ideas. So dont say i am against it cause you are SoS.
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I never said FCP the Skill itself was cheating. I said getting FCP from a pretty much "GM" Shield was cheating. Try not to get mixed up between the two. Especially seeing as how low people will go just to get the upper hand - That way.

Dual clienting a creator I have no problem with, you worked on the character, so why not use fcp from a Creator?

I mean, back to the WoE warper, we had to make Aco's for the warps. It's simple. Everyone is just reading bits and pieces and thinking they know what I'm talking about. Re-read it multiple time to understand that my Entire Thread was about this; Removing the USE of FCP from AHURA SHIELD On** Guild Castle Maps or even through out the 2 hours of WoE itself to prevent it from happening.

Very simple to understand. -facepalm
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NightShade wrote:
I never said FCP the Skill itself was cheating. I said getting FCP from a pretty much "GM" Shield was cheating. Try not to get mixed up between the two.

Dual clienting a creator I have no problem with, you worked on the character, so why not use fcp from a Creator?


What i still dont understand here, sorry, is that no matter what, fcp is still fcp. 1 second to use it through ahura or 5 through duel clienting is not preventing or allowing anyone any advantages or disadvantages and is not affecting anyone accordingly.

It was just saving alot of people a hassle having it in ahura.

Nothing has really been accomplished here, only slightly added more frustration, with the effect of not even changing gameplay. Thats my opinion, sorry to say.
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Glenfiddich wrote:
NightShade wrote:
I never said FCP the Skill itself was cheating. I said getting FCP from a pretty much "GM" Shield was cheating. Try not to get mixed up between the two.

Dual clienting a creator I have no problem with, you worked on the character, so why not use fcp from a Creator?


What i still dont understand here, sorry, is that no matter what, fcp is still fcp. 1 second to use it through ahura or 5 through duel clienting is not preventing or allowing anyone any advantages or disadvantages and is not affecting anyone accordingly.

It was just saving alot of people a hassle having it in ahura.

Nothing has really been accomplished here, only slightly added more frustration, with the effect of not even changing gameplay. Thats my opinion, sorry to say.


I really don't wanna repeat myself over and over, and over again.. Plenty has been accomplished, now if people want FCP, they have to make sure they have a Creator with them, or get it from one. It was an "Un-Official" item if I can say? that damaged a class aswell as cards. Now I am done repeating myself for the 10th time or whatever. You re-read everything if you don't understand it still. -.-
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Glenfiddich wrote:

Nothing has really been accomplished here, only slightly added more frustration, with the effect of not even changing gameplay.


NightShade wrote:
that damaged a class aswell as cards.


You must be kidding. There are things that destroy classes, CLASSES (plural) and not a single class . And this skill is not even close to destroying a class. Cant believe you actually just said it destroyed... like omg...

NightShade wrote:

It was an "Un-Official" item if I can say?


So are the majority of the donation girl items.

NightShade wrote:
Now I am done repeating myself for the 10th time or whatever. You re-read everything if you don't understand it still. -.-


'Chea Boss

No need to act like that, i am stating my opinion, just as you are.
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My 2 Cents. Honestly, I'll admit that i use Ahura for FCP purposes, and i do find it useful, and i do admit i find myself hostile to this idea.

I like how it currently is/was, i am against this removal. But i'm not about to go on a holy crusade until luzz spills out some more specifics about his little post/idea will actually work, (then i might).

To me, FCP isnt anti stalker in WoE, its anti creator, anti WS, and anti sword/mailbreaker. Its not anti strip, its antibreak, which i know there are counters but this allows for the most versatility.. And there's more things I'd think are more important to suggest "fixing" (namely a delay on giggling boxes, but that's for a different topic).

I don't care if your like GRAHHH or YAY for my post, i just felt like posting my thoughts, (mainly so i could delay going to sleep). All i know is that i like the way it is, and i just think that there's a chance more problems can arise out of removing it. This is change i can't believe in.
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Tho if u want fcp so bad u could ask a friend for it . fcp last 20 mins
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Tho if u want fcp so bad u could ask a friend for it . fcp last 20 mins


FCP last 10min, 600seconds/60seconds = 10mins unless its dbl'd for WOE which I dont think it is.


However people with the Ahura would cast FCP right outside the castle entrance, and then walk right on in.


The Ahura isn't meant for you to get a upper hand during WOE, it does negate the purpose of Creators, and it does destroy the idea of stripping people from a Stalkers pov. Trust me Stalkers use that skill full strip for WOE, and its very effective, so it does cripple them. Thats two classes that aren't being used for WOE because you can get a skill from a shield, which is a 'GM' item.

If your that hell bent on having a FCP in front of the castles you want tri-client, quad-client if you have to. Just know it does make you a sad excuse you can't go in and handle crap alone =).
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Bubbaknoxz wrote:
The Ahura isn't meant for you to get a upper hand during WOE, it does negate the purpose of Creators, and it does destroy the idea of stripping people from a Stalkers pov. Trust me Stalkers use that skill full strip for WOE, and its very effective, so it does cripple them. Thats two classes that aren't being used for WOE because you can get a skill from a shield, which is a 'GM' item.


People don't use creators or stalkers for woe because they are useless at breaking emps fast. Why use either class if i can just get a sinx and edp+dark water and go break a castle in 2 hits?

If your only excuse is that a stalker can't use strip on someone, then you should go learn how to play the class better and use the other skills that they have. I've woe'd with Zebruh in the past, he used a stalker and he never seemed bother by fcp because he knew how to use the other skills that he had.

97% of people that woe use heavy hitting characters to defend and break castles(IE LK and sinx)



Bubbaknoxz wrote:
If your that hell bent on having a FCP in front of the castles you want tri-client, quad-client if you have to. Just know it does make you a sad excuse you can't go in and handle crap alone =).


Ahura doesn't give you an upper hand, just because you can't set up a good defense doesnt mean its the shields fault.

I can quad client, i can have fcp even if the shield didnt let me use the skill, its more of a convenience to have than having to tab to my other open clients.

It's a sad excuse that you can't handle things alone? That's like saying if you can't protect your castle by yourself when getting swarmed by 3-7 people then you suck. If I'm using the shield and going to attack the castle by myself then aren't I doing it alone? no one else is helping me and im using my own items no?

If you woe with your guild then you are essentially getting help. Contradict yourself much?
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Darkness1852 wrote:
To me, FCP isnt anti stalker in WoE, its anti creator, anti WS, and anti sword/mailbreaker. Its not anti strip, its antibreak, which i know there are counters but this allows for the most versatility.. And there's more things I'd think are more important to suggest "fixing" (namely a delay on giggling boxes, but that's for a different topic).


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I like how it currently is/was, i am against this removal. But i'm not about to go on a holy crusade until luzz spills out some more specifics about his little post/idea will actually work, (then i might).
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First Part:

Stalkers can break the EMP as fast as any other class on here, since the EMP's health is only at 500k. That adds only about 3 seconds to the break time. Creators can also break the emp as well, I've done it on a few occasions 10-25 seconds.

As far as me learning Stalker class better, I think i should know that class fairly well since I've played most classes since 2004. As well as WOE'd with all classes on servers with much more players than this one, if you haven't WOE'd on a server with over 5k people(not dbls either) on for WOE than you haven't really WOE'd. Plus when you know how to play as a stalker and are capable of stripping people within 3 tries chances are you know the class pretty well.


97% of the people on this server may use heavy hitters, but go on other servers and you will see a even balance of ALL classes doing their job respectably.

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Ahura gives people an upper hand, why shouldn't I be able to break your gear with a ws, or creator. Why shouldn't I be able to strip you so when you go to attk the emp your dmg is less? The Ahura just made it easier for people to WOE and not worry about their gear breaking or being removed or even worry about calling a creator to cast that skill for them.

The only people who are against the idea of removing the Ahura seem to me to be the ones who DEPEND on it for every move they make. Personally I wouldn't even mind if it was removed as a Donation item. Then again I'm an old school player who has done low rates. Hell that item just stays on my champ for stats Smile...

As far as dual clienting, you can run 4 clients nice, I can run more. I don't bother running more than 2 clients, one a warper, and one my WOE char. If there was a WOE warper I wouldn't even bother running a second client. Hell running more than one client could be disabled then for all I care.

I've been swarmed by more than 7 players by myself multiple times, I'm pretty good to knock out 6 or 7 of the 7 from the castle. Thats without outside help from the Ahura or the scrolls people feel so ATTACHED to. What ever happened to the notion of bring your best build and gear for WOE? Now its bring your build, your ahura, and your scrolls to WOE its ok Rolling Eyes.


I am perfectly capable of handling things alone, if you can't read I do WOE alone unless my guild wants other wise.
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remarkin this part and to try to avoid any argu .

97% of the people on this server may use heavy hitters, but go on other servers and you will see a even balance of ALL classes doing their job respectably.

Why? becus they could break emp in 3 hits =) , tht doesnt happen anywhere .. True true sinx break fast as hell , but argh will u be able to keep doing the job well by lks and sinxs emselves when emp get harder to break ?

LL classes doing their job respectably.
i miss see suportive scholars . priests , champs snipers . theses as i.e.
100k hp vs 196 atack speed + 2000 str atk power + cards .. pff even without cards would take less than 30 hits.


edit other example : Ahura gives people an upper hand, why shouldn't I be able to break your gear with a ws, or creator. Why shouldn't I be able to strip you so when you go to attk the emp your dmg is less? The Ahura just made it easier for people to WOE and not worry about their gear breaking or being removed or even worry about calling a creator to cast that skill for them. Golem cards anyone? oh noes i loses one slot ... no comment
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