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One warning for you, Unown, for making unwarranted and unnecessary personal remarks towards another player.
Flaming is, as many other things, in the eyes of the beholder. "besides i dont consider this flaming" is your opinion from an egocentric view of what you yourself are posting, but does not hold any wieght. You must put yourself in the shoes of another and view it from their perspective to understand it. Your post, as pointed out, is considered "flaming" and will not be tolerated.
That said, the following is my personal opinion on the matter (and the other GMs may feel differently, or similarly. They themselves will post if they see fit).
I feel that both the Undead Scroll and Holy Scroll should be restricted from the War of Emperium. As with other things, I believe a "trial period" would be the ideal way to begin with. Following the trial, players will come together and voice their opinion on how beneficial the restriction was (or wasn't).
(If and) when that day arrives, I will not permit any bashing of any other player for any reason (especially petty guild rivalries) and will deal harsh punishments to any who instigates such things. I believe I may have to do this for this thread, as well. So let me make the following very clear:
Any player that is found to be bashing another player for any reason, or who is bashing an entire guild of players will receive appropriate punishment. I cannot emphasize "Play Nice" and "Treat others as you wish to be treated" enough. I want to see productive comments that direct changes and improvements to a better result.
It is in the best interest of several individuals who posted in this thread, who will remain unnamed, to keep what I just stated in mind.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:50 pm |
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Points i liked.
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btw from what your post just stated, about scrolls being more harmful than an aesprika, thats also wrong. with an aesprika, you dont have to worry about switching garments for other elements |
Aesprika was very handy, much more then scrolls. Although it was much like a two edged sword, everyone had one.
| Unown wrote: | im sure that this whole thread was just something to empower your guild to a higher advantage for pvp/woe.
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Haha thats what i thought, sorta.
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I feel that both the Undead Scroll and Holy Scroll should be restricted from the War of Emperium. As with other things, I believe a "trial period" would be the ideal way to begin with. Following the trial, players will come together and voice their opinion on how beneficial the restriction was (or wasn't).
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Why even suggest a trial period? The poll obviously shows no one likes this idea.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:29 pm |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | Points i liked.
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btw from what your post just stated, about scrolls being more harmful than an aesprika, thats also wrong. with an aesprika, you dont have to worry about switching garments for other elements |
Aesprika was very handy, much more then scrolls. Although it was much like a two edged sword, everyone had one.
| Unown wrote: | im sure that this whole thread was just something to empower your guild to a higher advantage for pvp/woe.
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Haha thats what i thought, sorta.
| Skye wrote: |
I feel that both the Undead Scroll and Holy Scroll should be restricted from the War of Emperium. As with other things, I believe a "trial period" would be the ideal way to begin with. Following the trial, players will come together and voice their opinion on how beneficial the restriction was (or wasn't).
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Why even suggest a trial period? The poll obviously shows no one likes this idea. |
First point:
With this everyone has it, and its crap. I would must rather deal with the Aesprika than the scrolls, to tell you the truth. At least I know the person wouldn't have a card in their garment that's a reducer, to add to the elemental reducers. Now you have Neutral combined with Aesprika in all essence....
The holy scroll is just like the ele. Your getting your but whopped because your wearing a GR for example you toss that on and poof your back in the game. If you want holy use those cards that give the prop
Second Point:
I use a LK..... I dont need anything to empower me nor my guild. In fact these staying in HELP me greatly, I can use these items and be a tank in WoE. My thoughts is to make the WOE the way its supposed to be bring your A game, don't use a scroll if you can't get reducers the real way. Too me this is like those rushing LK's who run by you instead of fighting to break the emperium. Its really kinda pathetic how people WOE in this server. Needing help for every little thing.... /swt
Last Point:
People who voted nay on this poll could've just voted no because as you can tell a SOS member made the topic. And as it stands a lot of people I guess are jealous/hate of us for some odd reason. Plus people can just make multiple forum accts and vote Yes or No for a topic they don't like. I wouldn't put it past anyone on here to tell you the honest truth.
As far as Skye suggesting the trail period of removing it. Why not? Are you that scared of elemental dmg that you need to hide behind scrolls for WOE?
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:23 pm |
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First of all, I disagree with removing this.
Okay- Aesprika was banned for WIZARD AND PROFFESSORS.
second.. i think It wouldn't be fair to our fellow new players that cannot afford donates/ angeling/ resistant cards. THIRD, Skye. Okay, delete everything. But it WOULD NOT make woe FUN as it is right now. like- If you cannot use scrolls, what's the point of playing? like- the point is to figure out which scroll they using. without this it wouldn't be woe. it is VERY fair to keep scrolls for donaters and none donaters to make it a nice woe indeed. people could hunt angeling, but then whats the point of spawning one? when the WHOLE server wants? it will be a huge amount of drama anyway. that is all. answer nicely. :]
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:47 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: |
First point:
With this everyone has it, and its crap. I would must rather deal with the Aesprika than the scrolls, to tell you the truth. At least I know the person wouldn't have a card in their garment that's a reducer, to add to the elemental reducers. Now you have Neutral combined with Aesprika in all essence....
The holy scroll is just like the ele. Your getting your but whopped because your wearing a GR for example you toss that on and poof your back in the game. If you want holy use those cards that give the prop
Second Point:
I use a LK..... I dont need anything to empower me nor my guild. In fact these staying in HELP me greatly, I can use these items and be a tank in WoE. My thoughts is to make the WOE the way its supposed to be bring your A game, don't use a scroll if you can't get reducers the real way. Too me this is like those rushing LK's who run by you instead of fighting to break the emperium. Its really kinda pathetic how people WOE in this server. Needing help for every little thing.... /swt
Last Point:
People who voted nay on this poll could've just voted no because as you can tell a SOS member made the topic. And as it stands a lot of people I guess are jealous/hate of us for some odd reason. Plus people can just make multiple forum accts and vote Yes or No for a topic they don't like. I wouldn't put it past anyone on here to tell you the honest truth.
As far as Skye suggesting the trail period of removing it. Why not? Are you that scared of elemental dmg that you need to hide behind scrolls for WOE? |
No one is scared of anything. I believe they should stay because It's part of the way people are meant to WOE.
2) NO ONE hates/dislike you. it is a game. and it is fun to fight in a kind way.
3) Aesprika was also banned, cause it was unfair for sage classes and it was causing TOO much drama, on Reign Online for that reason, we have it no more.
4) Not everyone can buy aesprika, wouldn't it be unfair to new players and such? ^_^ money does not come out of peoples vajayjay's xD
5) scrolls are made to use ONE at a time, aepsrika makes it immune ALL at a time. :]
6) multiple account voting is not allowed, you do it, youre banned. We are voting nicely, and voting yes or no.
7) Skye is a GM. but her vote counts as any other player.
8) We're in need of help? You're the one asking for aesprika. Scared?:')
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:53 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | With this everyone has it, and its crap. I would must rather deal with the Aesprika than the scrolls, to tell you the truth. At least I know the person wouldn't have a card in their garment that's a reducer, to add to the elemental reducers. Now you have Neutral combined with Aesprika in all essence.... |
Your not seeing how it affects other classes. Range and mage users get screwed with aesprika around. As i said in my post before, this is the main reason why it was removed in the first place.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | The holy scroll is just like the ele. Your getting your but whopped because your wearing a GR for example you toss that on and poof your back in the game. If you want holy use those cards that give the prop |
The same can be said about another item like Giggling Box. Why not use Condense pots instead of Giggling box if you need to heal? They're the same no? It requires an item to get an item.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I use a LK..... I dont need anything to empower me nor my guild. In fact these staying in HELP me greatly, I can use these items and be a tank in WoE. My thoughts is to make the WOE the way its supposed to be bring your A game, don't use a scroll if you can't get reducers the real way. Too me this is like those rushing LK's who run by you instead of fighting to break the emperium. Its really kinda pathetic how people WOE in this server. Needing help for every little thing.... /swt |
Tell me, how do you get "REDUCERS THE REAL WAY"? The only way i know of getting them is buying them off of people, hunting the monster or using OCA's. As far as i can tell, people willingly sell both holy and undead scrolls in payon and morroc, the same can also be said with cards.
LK's rushing last minute to kill the emp is called strategy. There are no rules against doing that and i doubt there will ever be. If you find woe on here pathetic why participate then?
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | People who voted nay on this poll could've just voted no because as you can tell a SOS member made the topic. And as it stands a lot of people I guess are jealous/hate of us for some odd reason. Plus people can just make multiple forum accts and vote Yes or No for a topic they don't like. I wouldn't put it past anyone on here to tell you the honest truth. |
So how does this contribute to this topic? ALL votes can easily be tracked via IP. So making multiple accounts or using Proxys dont help in any way.
Tell me how people are jealous/hate you? Because they voice their own opinion about the suggestion. I believe you also did the same for the other topics no?
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:59 pm |
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To:vBubbaknoxz
And Again I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS
| Quote: | | "Bubbaknoxz"As far as Skye suggesting the trail period of removing it. Why not? Are you that scared of elemental dmg that you need to hide behind scrolls for WOE? |
Sounds like PROVOKING and "FLAMING" to all the players in Reignonline
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:00 pm |
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If you're using GR and you're getting whooped, and you use a scroll...
I believe that's called an "Ace up the sleeve."
Like when you're fighting a ranged-fighter and your Wickbine Tres card kicks in. All if not for the random chance of it setting off.
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| Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:43 pm |
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| Luminous wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | With this everyone has it, and its crap. I would must rather deal with the Aesprika than the scrolls, to tell you the truth. At least I know the person wouldn't have a card in their garment that's a reducer, to add to the elemental reducers. Now you have Neutral combined with Aesprika in all essence.... |
Your not seeing how it affects other classes. Range and mage users get screwed with aesprika around. As i said in my post before, this is the main reason why it was removed in the first place.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | The holy scroll is just like the ele. Your getting your but whopped because your wearing a GR for example you toss that on and poof your back in the game. If you want holy use those cards that give the prop |
The same can be said about another item like Giggling Box. Why not use Condense pots instead of Giggling box if you need to heal? They're the same no? It requires an item to get an item.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | People who voted nay on this poll could've just voted no because as you can tell a SOS member made the topic. And as it stands a lot of people I guess are jealous/hate of us for some odd reason. Plus people can just make multiple forum accts and vote Yes or No for a topic they don't like. I wouldn't put it past anyone on here to tell you the honest truth. |
So how does this contribute to this topic? ALL votes can easily be tracked via IP. So making multiple accounts or using Proxys dont help in any way.
Tell me how people are jealous/hate you? Because they voice their own opinion about the suggestion. I believe you also did the same for the other topics no? |
First part: Magic and Range users are still getting the shaft with the scrolls, how is it any different than just allowing a Aesprika in? The only difference I see is it last 5 minutes instead of forever. You just pop a scroll before the emp room and if a Mag/sniper class is defending their attack is greatly reduced. I don't get your logic with that one. The undead scrolls are ghetto aesprika's.
Second part: I dont use healing items for woe, so giggles being in or out doesn't matter to me. But I'll start using though 
Third part: Can you check IPs? Only the forum admin teams can check IP's, some could use wifi fishing to place votes as well. Its something that can easily be worked around, if someone has a lot of time on their hands and really hates the idea. Its a fact of life people will stoop to any level to win.
As far as the Hate thing; it was referring to one or more post where some people bashed the idea because a SOS member made it. That's not being rational but being hateful or even jealous who knows what they were thinking when they typed it. That's what I meant by that section of the post, people shouldn't judge an idea because of a bias towards anyone but for the idea on topic. Some don't do that and of course bias is always an issue when it comes to polls.
I don't go into other topics and bash ideas, in fact I encourage some ideas. I don't believe I've gone into a topic and bashed an idea and not talked to the OP about it.
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Do the scrolls stack?
Can you have a bonus 50% holy resistance -and- 50% resistance to any element?
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| Chibi wrote: | To:vBubbaknoxz
And Again I DON'T LIKE YOUR IDEAS
| Quote: | | "Bubbaknoxz"As far as Skye suggesting the trail period of removing it. Why not? Are you that scared of elemental dmg that you need to hide behind scrolls for WOE? |
Sounds like PROVOKING and "FLAMING" to all the players in Reignonline
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That was on topic... It was a response to Skye thinking of doing a trail period without the scrolls, and its a true question concerning this topic. Why don't you refrain from using CAPS and size 24 font, thats more in the lines of provoking than my post. Figured I let you know that.
Zebruh: I agree with you on the "Ace up your sleeve" but why not switch armors? I usually carry 5 armors with me and change accordingly. Or I prepare before WOE and set up reducer gear according to who I am attacking.
Kumori: I'm not asking for the Aesprika to be allowed for WOE. I'm asking for the scrolls to be removed because they still affect Mage/sniper class. People here talk about having a level playing field for the server and making it fair, that is what I am trying to do. I dont even have a Mage and I'm suggesting the idea to help Mage classes out. I figured all Mage/Sniper class would like this idea of actually doing good dmg but I guess not. "Its part of the way people are meant to WOE", Idk this is the first server I played on, where scroll reducers are allowed for WOE, and I've been playing RO since 04 and I'm used to working on armor combos for that.
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:32 am |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | First part: Magic and Range users are still getting the shaft with the scrolls, how is it any different than just allowing a Aesprika in? The only difference I see is it last 5 minutes instead of forever. You just pop a scroll before the emp room and if a Mag/sniper class is defending their attack is greatly reduced. I don't get your logic with that one. The undead scrolls are ghetto aesprika's. |
30%>20%, id rather deal with a scroll that with aesprika.
I was here when aesprika was allowed for both pvp/woe. Damage on my sniper with aesprika allowed was 2-3k max, with it gone and people using scrolls i hit 3-7k.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I dont use healing items for woe, so giggles being in or out doesn't matter to me. But I'll start using though |
I dont care if people use items in pvp/woe. The fact still remains that you called these scrolls non-real items. The same can be applied to giggling box, as you need a piece of equipment to get the item.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | Can you check IPs? Only the forum admin teams can check IP's, some could use wifi fishing to place votes as well. Its something that can easily be worked around, if someone has a lot of time on their hands and really hates the idea. Its a fact of life people will stoop to any level to win. |
And that was my point, the GM's do check for multiple ip usage on certain accounts. It's quite easy to tell when the ballot if being stuffed. |
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:42 am |
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The Staff team will re-examine this issue. We have discussed it in the past, but we need to revisit this now. We will also review the votes to ensure no poll vote stuffing had taken place. We will also research the 'officialness' of these scrolls and how difficult (if at all) the are to obtain.
We will post back shortly.
We will leave this topic open, however, please refrain from posting unless you have something new to add to the discussion.
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| Luminous wrote: | | Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | First part: Magic and Range users are still getting the shaft with the scrolls, how is it any different than just allowing a Aesprika in? The only difference I see is it last 5 minutes instead of forever. You just pop a scroll before the emp room and if a Mag/sniper class is defending their attack is greatly reduced. I don't get your logic with that one. The undead scrolls are ghetto aesprika's. |
30%>20%, id rather deal with a scroll that with aesprika.
I was here when aesprika was allowed for both pvp/woe. Damage on my sniper with aesprika allowed was 2-3k max, with it gone and people using scrolls i hit 3-7k.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I dont use healing items for woe, so giggles being in or out doesn't matter to me. But I'll start using though |
I dont care if people use items in pvp/woe. The fact still remains that you called these scrolls non-real items. The same can be applied to giggling box, as you need a piece of equipment to get the item.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | Can you check IPs? Only the forum admin teams can check IP's, some could use wifi fishing to place votes as well. Its something that can easily be worked around, if someone has a lot of time on their hands and really hates the idea. Its a fact of life people will stoop to any level to win. |
And that was my point, the GM's do check for multiple ip usage on certain accounts. It's quite easy to tell when the ballot if being stuffed. |
30%>20%, id rather deal with a scroll that with aesprika.
Dont you wear ur garments + undead scroll and have 50% reduction to wind fire water and earth , of course just one at time (not countin headgear reduc or w/e) .
When on the other hand the aesprika will give u only 30% to all..
kumori and everybody , god items were never meant to be easy to attain i believe so .
still i see the part of the 50% just by garment and undead scroll is abused by lot of pple , so of course u will not want to lose ur precius trick , but time has changed the scrolls left the cash shop because maybe there were pple abusin it ? maybe they still on cash shop ..
as for chibi , u already been on a few post of us usin ur 24 font size just like snowie . and sayin buba & night shade and sos fail , ugh i think tht is harrasment/flame anywhere around the world , btw why all ur post on where u two flamed are edited 3 times at least. . |
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| Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:07 am |
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Like i said earlier, everything in this game seems to be more against magic classes then melee.
These scrolls finally gave me a break so i didnt have to change my headgears as much. Removing these scrolls is going to change only one thing, the crazier players pwning even harder, possibly one hit ko's i dunno. Players who were equal or close to are going to stay equal.
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