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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Xarrow wrote: | | GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT wrote: | thats where GTB is causing such a shit storm
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Gtb isn't causing storm. Your causing that storm |
He didn't create the other 7 gtb threads. Not to mention the threads from the old rain. |
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| Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:58 pm |
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Obviously biased, but i thought id put all the thoughts from the past that i liked, here.
Here i will be compiling some thoughts previously brought up in the in past. Please read all the thread.
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
GTB is single handedly the most over powered card. It completely destroys several classes. No other card does that.
Thana, Kiel, Garm, Tao, name any card. NO other card destroys an entirety of a class apart from gtb. And yes, there may be good arguments against changing it, but the simple matter of the fact is no other card can destroy classes. Not only it destroys classes, it destroys other cards. For example, FBH and HWIZ cards. |
Discussion on Making Melee and Ranged Counterparts to GTB - Which i am against if no one detected the sarcasm.
http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=706
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
If you can get immune to magic, by rights you should destroy some other classes to get immune to melee. Dont like it? As someone stated, "switch characters" |
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but you cant do as much damage with magic as you can with melee straight up |
Do you realize how bad that just sounded? You pretty much just said, "Melee class is stronger, so lets not disadvantage them with a card. But because magic class is weaker, we should disadvantage them with a card."
It should be the other way around mister. Nerfing stronger classes, not the weaker. |
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To every one who is against this: Make a new class, don't depend on your one magic class. |
Use your own words back at you :O Obvious with the word magic switching to melee. |
Next Discussion - Following iRO Valkyrie and Banning GTB
http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=673
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
[There are too many counteracts to magic classes at the moment (GTB, maya, reducers), all which heavily destroy the classes scholar and high wizard. I do believe this will balance out the server much, much more if it is removed.
EDIT: Oh and if a low rate server, even lower then the official iRO server believes this card is overpowered, what makes it that it isnt in this server, where the card is even more common? |
| Godfather wrote: |
HEY GUYS!
Fallen Bishop Hibram Card = FBHC.
Golden Thief Bug Card = GTBC.
Magic User with a FBHC. VS. Melee User with a GTBC.
Magic User with none. VS. Melee User with a GTBC.
Magic User with a FBHC. VS. Melee User with none.
Who wins in these situations? Discuss. |
Good Point Here IMO.
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
It renders the magic class completely 100% useless. No other card in the game can do that. I could spend thousands of dollars on this game to pro my prof/wiz/ninja up and it wouldnt change the fact that someone with gtb (which is now fairly common) would woop my ass.
You shouldnt have to make an alt to beat someone. This game wasnt designed to do that. |
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
iRO did it. They must have had good reason to. I said this earlier, but everyone seemed to forgot. They have less gtb cards circulating through that server then we do. Yet they decided to get rid of it, because even a little amount of the cards are a pain in the ass to the server.
Big whoop if you worked hard for the card. I worked for my aesprika only to have it pulled from my grasp
Someone brought this out and i agree. There is a counter to almost anything. Then there is a gtb card, which throws everything completely out of whack. Why the hell was this card ever made.
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AND Aesprika was even allowed in pvp for a time until they made the scrolls. |
| Glenfiddich wrote: | The scrolls had nothing to do with aesprika getting banned whatsoever.
Its quite ironic though. The GM team ban something because 30% resist to alot of elements is overpowered, it makes classes weaker, doesnt render them useless. And everyone had one so it was fair.
Yet when a card completely renders a class useless in all aspects, it isnt overpwered? Wth? It destroys the whole entire class. Thats why alot of people dont make magic classes anymore. |
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
Gtb pwns maya. End of story, there is no comparison. And there isnt that much more maya then gtb nowadays.
Ill put this out there again for people who have forgotten. Absolutely everything in this game seems to be against magic users, doesnt seem fair.
Things against melee users that everyone can use: Orc lord pretty much, and maybe reducers and such. These things make melee classes maybe a slight bit weaker.
Things against magic users everyone can use: Reducers (affects magic classes alot more then melee), maya (sort of like a magic version to orc lord,), gtb(no melee comparison, wtf?). These things here completely destroy the magic class. Bit unfair on magic class players, no?
Good thing i dont play my prof that much anymore, cause the fun i used to have on him has been destroyed :O |
Regarding Luzz's 75% proposal as a change...
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
With enough thought put in, you can reduce pretty much every magic skill dramatically. My current gear set is almost immune to all elements. Single bolts hitting from between 200-600. Thats from 3k bolts.
Now we want 75% less? With a scholar, ninja, or hwiz attacking me, i wont even notice my hp going down at all with this new 75% effect. Not like i notice it much as is. Thats like 50-100 damage on pretty much everything. I mean wth? |
| Glenfiddich wrote: |
Magic class already have a hell of a hard time killing melee classes as it is without gtb involved. It is almost impossible to kill an equally geared person, who is actually a smart player, and there are quite a few smart players running around. |
And a last link i couldnt bothered talking about lol
http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=1626
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| Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:08 pm |
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I forgot that you were for ninjas being up; sorry
but i have an idea.....
This isnt the greatest plan. But what if we...
KEEP Gtb how it is.
Incorporate Glen's Strip Shield level 1 idea.
the only change to gtb allowed, is that dispell can go through it and get rid of full chemical protection.
Hows that?
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:06 am |
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| Xzerostu wrote: | I forgot that you were for ninjas being up; sorry
but i have an idea.....
This isnt the greatest plan. But what if we...
KEEP Gtb how it is.
Incorporate Glen's Strip Shield level 1 idea.
the only change to gtb allowed, is that dispell can go through it and get rid of full chemical protection.
Hows that? |
I LOVE THAT IDEA! |
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:00 am |
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| Xzerostu wrote: | I forgot that you were for ninjas being up; sorry
but i have an idea.....
This isnt the greatest plan. But what if we...
KEEP Gtb how it is.
Incorporate Glen's Strip Shield level 1 idea.
the only change to gtb allowed, is that dispell can go through it and get rid of full chemical protection.
Hows that? |
You have my support.
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:07 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Xzerostu wrote: | I forgot that you were for ninjas being up; sorry
but i have an idea.....
This isnt the greatest plan. But what if we...
KEEP Gtb how it is.
Incorporate Glen's Strip Shield level 1 idea.
the only change to gtb allowed, is that dispell can go through it and get rid of full chemical protection.
Hows that? |
You have my support. |
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:33 am |
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The good thing about xzeros idea is that we will see some more profs running around hopefully now 
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:54 am |
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| Not much for poor regular old wizards though, unless Dispel also comes on the idea you had? =O |
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| Fri Sep 10, 2010 4:56 am |
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Wizards can deal with strip shield only I guess. Maybe you should make a new thread and a poll quoting xzeros idea.
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| sounds good. |
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