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Removal of Scrolls
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marine wrote:
is pretty ironic ur post says when it was in pvp was horrible then u quote jdub sayin he stacked scrolls with asprika , see why pvp was horrible ? because pple where abusing asprika with scrolls . It really tires me repeat myself over and over but it seems pple just dont get it

and there's the reason why scrolls should never been around , ruined a god item tht originally is not unbalance :/


1. Some people want scrolls out which are 20% and unbalanced, and yet want aesprika in, which is 30% constantly without having to "use" the item so to speak.

2. It wasn't originally unbalanced marine, because not every had one. Everyone having one advantages melee classes even further. Which is one reason i disliked aesprika removal, made my lk more vulnerable. GR+Aes+elemental resist cards pwn'd just about anything.

3. A 2 week trial of removal of scrolls i wouldn't mind. I just want aesprika to stay out.

4. Also marine, pvp was horrible with aesprika, before scrolls were even there.

Again, lastly, emphasis on #3...

Glenfiddich wrote:
Aesprika should not even be in this topic, it should absolutely most positively stay removed.

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marine wrote:
is pretty ironic ur post says when it was in pvp was horrible then u quote jdub sayin he stacked scrolls with asprika , see why pvp was horrible ? because pple where abusing asprika with scrolls . It really tires me repeat myself over and over but it seems pple just dont get it

and there's the reason why scrolls should never been around , ruined a god item tht originally is not unbalance :/


1. Some people want scrolls out which are 20% and unbalanced, and yet want aesprika in, which is 30% constantly without having to "use" the item so to speak.

2. It wasn't originally unbalanced marine, because not every had one. Everyone having one advantages melee classes even further. Which is one reason i disliked aesprika removal, made my lk more vulnerable. GR+Aes+elemental resist cards pwn'd just about anything.


3. A 2 week trial of removal of scrolls i wouldn't mind. I just want aesprika to stay out.

4. Also marine, pvp was horrible with aesprika, before scrolls were even there.

Again, lastly, emphasis on #3...

Glenfiddich wrote:
Aesprika should not even be in this topic, it should absolutely most positively stay removed.


scrolls were in when aesprika was put into in there's no denial to tht.

1. Some people want scrolls out which are 20% and unbalanced, and yet want aesprika in, which is 30% constantly without having to "use" the item so to speak.
My response to this : i can tell but is useles since u know tht with just undead scroll and one manteu u get 50% reduction, when asprika will be plain 30% and tht all cant further it up anymore only with headgears reducers , then there's no slot to stat inmunity cards mean then ur vit will be the higher posible .

2. It wasn't originally unbalanced marine, because not every had one. Everyone having one advantages melee classes even further. Which is one reason i disliked aesprika removal, made my lk more vulnerable. GR+Aes+elemental resist cards pwn'd just about anything.
Response: advantages melee clases even further? i see magic clases will like more aesprika with no scrolls. seen it on other server man there was balance in it and everyone had aesprika . ele resist cards again no status inmunitys hello flame skull , stone , curse , silence etc etc .

LAST EDIT: wouldnt even advantage melee clases even further no reducers at all? u should know i can one fo Nutz and ur chemi if u both dont use reducers , means without reducer as aesprika everyone last 1 two skills from a melee job.

3. A 2 week trial of removal of scrolls i wouldn't mind. I just want aesprika to stay out.

4. Also marine, pvp was horrible with aesprika, before scrolls were even there.

for 4: man scrolls where on this server even before aesprika was launched by oficial servers , wht are u talking about ?

now compare 30% to all from aesprika VS , 45% to wind earth, 65% to fire water and inmunity to holy . not counting in this math tht garment slot is empty to add another 30% to htever floats ur boat let say like this , holy undead scroll+valk shield + jakk manteu = 95% fire resistance not even usin one headgear slot . oh yea aesprika is overpower....(sarcasm).
So imo usin tht combo just add one leib omai 3 leafcats and u absorb 5% fire dmg and u are 95% resistant to water .
on aesprika formula the followin. 30% to all + 20% to fire from shield + angeling card(note u will be frozen) = 75% fire resistance , u nid fire resist pot or 3 headgears slot to inmunity. i cant think a way tht aesprika is more nasty than the scrolls in the rights hands .

for last , let me say aesprika the only advantage it does have is u dont nid to be switchin trough manteus , the resistance stays on 30%. no in 50% to 75% or 95% as imo.

too many edits , tho i wanted to make a real point here giving numbers.
Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:56 am
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marine wrote:

scrolls were in when aesprika was put into in there's no denial to tht.


Not everyone knew about it and 1% of the population, such as JDUB, was using them together.

marine wrote:
My response to this : i can tell but is useles since u know tht with just undead scroll and one manteu u get 50% reduction, when asprika will be plain 30% and tht all cant further it up anymore only with headgears reducers , then there's no slot to stat inmunity cards mean then ur vit will be the higher posible .


Its not exactly easy to keep switching manteaus especially if they are ele scrolling.

marine wrote:
Response: advantages melee clases even further? i see magic clases will like more aesprika with no scrolls. seen it on other server man there was balance in it and everyone had aesprika . ele resist cards again no status inmunitys hello flame skull , stone , curse , silence etc etc


Lol, i will wait for the swarm of people looking at this part of the comment to prove you wrong on this. Aesprika more benefits melee, as does everything. Aesprika reduces neutral which is a biggy that the scrolls dont reduce.

marine wrote:
LAST EDIT: wouldnt even advantage melee clases even further no reducers at all? u should know i can one fo Nutz and ur chemi if u both dont use reducers , means without reducer as aesprika everyone last 1 two skills from a melee job.


I had Nutz and he had me, i tell you now, when i was vs'ing you i did not use reducers nor did i have to. Nor did i even bother as i dont even know which element you use. Tonnes of reflect, 100k sacs, 66k heals on a pally with 400k +++ health, him tanking the damage for me, 75% less on ranged, not even a thana fo would hurt, on top of that me bombing... nothing can outdamage 66k heals every half a second. especially with max reflect. Marine, i tell you now, with Nutz, i had absolutely no use for, or reason to use, reducers, the two of us were invincible against 1 player and alot of the time, 2 players. I only ever used reducers when i was solo'ing.

marine wrote:
for last , let me say aesprika the only advantage it does have is u dont nid to be switchin trough manteus , the resistance stays on 30%. no in 50% to 75% or 95% as imo.


Which is a bloody big advantage, and not only that, you have neutral resist as well.
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"Its not exactly easy to keep switching manteaus especially if they are ele scrolling. " said by glenfidich.. .. erm dan u know scrolls doesnt run out of effect cus u switch manteu the only way for their effect to go out is switch ur current armor .

now compare 30% to all from aesprika VS , 45% to wind earth, 65% to fire water and inmunity to holy . not counting in this math tht garment slot is empty to add another 30% to htever floats ur boat let say like this , holy undead scroll+valk shield + jakk manteu = 95% fire resistance not even usin one headgear slot . oh yea aesprika is overpower....(sarcasm).
So imo usin tht combo just add one leib omai 3 leafcats and u absorb 5% fire dmg and u are 95% resistant to water .
on aesprika formula the followin. 30% to all + 20% to fire from shield + angeling card(note u will be frozen) = 75% fire resistance , u nid fire resist pot or 3 headgears slot to inmunity. i cant think a way tht aesprika is more nasty than the scrolls in the rights hands .

for last , let me say aesprika the only advantage it does have is u dont nid to be switchin trough manteus , the resistance stays on 30%. no in 50% to 75% or 95% as imo.

i copy and paste simply this because i believe is all nided to prove how scrolls are way more harmfull than aesprika , for melee clases tht u say asprika reduce neutral as 30% as the biges isue of it, isnt ghostring way better? well aniway u dint comented anything about wht i said above giving exact reduction numbers .

as tht 1% number of pple like jdub , it was exactly because tht 1% pple tht aesprika was taken as overpower item , basicly i repeat the only advantage aesprika have is tht u dont nid to switch manteus .
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Marine, i tell you now, i am pretty sure aesprika will remain banned. It has been here, no one or close to no one liked it. It will be the same if it is implemented again, everyone will like it (didnt we all?), then slowly realise the problem it once again would have created.

I dont care about your old server, the variables were probably much different. You may be right, aesprika probably was alot more balanced, but no, not here in reign.

And everyone saw it as overpowered, not just the ones mixing it with scrolls. Oh except for the people who had lk as their mains, of course they weren't happy.

marine wrote:
isnt ghostring way better? well aniway u dint comented anything about wht i said above giving exact reduction numbers.


Yes it is, but it equips elsewhere, meaning you can use both at once. The numbers dont matter to me, what matters is the HUGE advantage you gain by not having to swap manteaus and the extra reduction to neutral. Maybe your scrolls are better, but only if you have the right manteau and they aren't using neutral, and then you have to switch between the endless amount of elements every single time they switch. Aesprika shits on scrolls, i would prefer scrolls in rather then aesprika, and i think most people would.
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im gona be rude about the people here im sory but it is true , i see a bunch of pple here tht only knows to complain OMG THANA CARD SO OVERPOWER, no ur 200 vit make's it overpower darling . OMG AD IS LIKE ASURA, no if u were using the right job u could kill any chemi . OMG TAO GUNKA OP, kinda is usefull but tao gunka comes at a very high price ur own def . . .
only lks dint liked ? dint champions ? priests? Sory aesprika is usefull to everyjob because is simply a garment tht offer 30% resistance to the 7 elements .. for wht this item was put as a god item ? to avoid one hit ko.

but again is damn truth tht most people here knows to complain but they dont try to understand a single bit , fk i remember one dude sayin with 200 vit i dont nid stat inmunity cards and i can use all my headgears slots to reduce elements ... time by the same guy sayin , man thanatos card shouldnt exist.


marine wrote:
isnt ghostring way better? well aniway u dint comented anything about wht i said above giving exact reduction numbers.

glenn said:
Yes it is, but it equips elsewhere, meaning you can use both at once. The numbers dont matter to me, what matters is the HUGE advantage you gain by not having to swap manteaus and the extra reduction to neutral. Maybe your scrolls are better, but only if you have the right manteau and they aren't using neutral, and then you have to switch between the endless amount of elements every single time they switch. Aesprika shits on scrolls, i would prefer scrolls in rather then aesprika, and i think most people would.

aesprika just grant 5% more neutral reduction than diablo manteu with raidric .. there's not tht big advantage on not have to switch manteu , oh well there is , u dont have 7 manteus on ur invetory , u dont have to do as i love to see and laugh to it pple runin back to switch element cant u do it while u hit? press f1 change manteu? i dont really wana put my resistances here cus ill be naking my char but im not lieing i would be slightly weaker with aesprika as rite now , sory is the truth .

and one edit without scrolls nor aesprika , any lk will hit bowlin bashes for 25k each hit total dmg 50k just usin incan samurai , any champ will hit fo for 10k each hit of the 5 hits , sinxs well imagine it urself . Razz
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marine wrote:
only lks dint liked ? dint champions ? priests?


I was gonna say champ as well, they were next on my hit list, i just didnt want you to get on the offensive.
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Glenfiddich wrote:
marine wrote:
only lks dint liked ? dint champions ? priests?


I was gonna say champ as well, they were next on my hit list, i just didnt want you to get on the offensive.


if u read the post u notice i already passed from defensive to offensive Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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Oh and one last thing.

marine wrote:
i see magic clases will like more aesprika with no scrolls.


My favourite class is my prof. It was my main and the aesprika is what made me quit it. When they were banned i enjoyed pvp alot more and started playing him again. Same with ALOT of other magic class players. Maya and gtb still made it annoying, but no aesprika was enough for me to play Glenfiddich again. So thats proves that point wrong :S
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Im gonna keep my post short and too my own personal point.

I lean towards no...Only because people dont use the scroll ALL that much from what ive noticed. And theres always fairly simple ways to get around it.
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remove this
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Stiffler wrote:
Im gonna keep my post short and too my own personal point.

I lean towards no...Only because people dont use the scroll ALL that much from what ive noticed. And theres always fairly simple ways to get around it.



Stiff, I see people use scrolls all the time in town before they go into pvp. No Mercy doesn't debuff you anymore hence why if your in no mercy you won't see it. With the scrolls its very easy to get immunity to more than one element, its a tested and proven theory which renders some classes useless.


Now onto Glenn; Marine, SOS and I were from a server where Asprika was used for pvp and woe, as well as berries, all skills available during woe etc. It was far easier to kill ppl on their then it is on here due to the amount of cards on this server (you can thank mistress hunting for that). Asprika isn't as godly as you may think. You can have a somewhat ghetto Asprika on here. Diablo Mant with radric gives 25% to neutral pop a scroll and you have your resistances. Still can kill ppl right?

However this thread isn't about Asprika, its about the scrolls themselves. Judging by the vote this time around many opinions have changed from the last time this thread was brought up. The current poll shows 17 yes and 5 nay, looks like this item needs to get taken out of pvp and woe, as per request by the players.


Marine you are more than welcome to start a thread on reintroducing Asprika to the server for a test of 2 weeks to see if opinions change on that matter as well.
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Aesprika was removed after a 2 week trial without it. Stop trying to change things to be your perfect server. That isn't how things should work.
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Zebruh wrote:
Aesprika was removed after a 2 week trial without it. Stop trying to change things to be your perfect server. That isn't how things should work.

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Now that you've agreed with me, no amount of evidence on my part(Or lack of evidence/argument on my opposite's part) will help my case.

You have single-handedly lost this argument.

And the game.

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