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| Glenfiddich wrote: | No bitching about FBH because melee is already stronger.
I really thought people may have liked this idea...
But hey, if your happy with 75% reduction instead, then go for it. I am sure most people will vote to keep it once its gone through testing stages. |
perphaps , and is a perphaps 75% more dmg from psi attks is a bit too much , wad like 40% considering gtb blocks thara tht would give a total 70% more dmg -
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| Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:44 am |
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To tell you the truth, I think you guys just suck at your mage classes. If your dying to melee classes without GTB, then the problem isn't with GTB, its with you. I've come to that conclusion by the bases of what your saying that melee owns magic. So in terms that means no matter what you should lose hands down to a melee user.
I don't think I ever in my RO lifetime see a complete owning of a magic class, unless that person knows how to plays smart. Lets put it like this They are both on equal levels, not one is better than the other, just learn how to play your class better.
Again I will say without a doubt Dark Pulse is the best person using Mage Class on this server, why? Easy if he knows someone has such and such gear he learns how to counter it and moves on. Shadow found that out last night when he walked into No Mercy. With all that magic reducing gear he still died. And he (Shadow) can complain about his (Dark's) gear, but he is one of you guys trying to reach a GTB effect without a GTB card... Someone against GTB is in fact trying to get to GTB status without the card, irony in that....
Whats next on your epic fail train of an idea? I know I will be voting against the 70% because the point of the GTB is to be immune to magic all the time, not 70% of the time. As will most of the server taking a look at the old poll you guys did. Where 11 voted to ban and 25 voted for it to stay. Why can't you just admit defeat and move on, your not going to win this argument, especially an argument formulated by non top of the class Mage users.
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| Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:29 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | To tell you the truth, I think you guys just suck at your mage classes. If your dying to melee classes without GTB, then the problem isn't with GTB, its with you. I've come to that conclusion by the bases of what your saying that melee owns magic. So in terms that means no matter what you should lose hands down to a melee user. |
Well lets see an Lk with 200k hp comes up to you 5 BB's and your dead. You use mind breaker on him his mdef went down 60%, you freeze him with frost driver, then you use double casting and lay down Violent Gale, then cast thunder bolt. If your lucky it'll double cast and hit him with 20 bolts, that'll do (Against LK's I can do 2500 with a 1 bolt) 2500 x 20 bolts = 50,000 damage, chances are as you wait for your aftercast to get done with the Lk has already done 3 BB's and your already on your last leg. If your lucky you can probably freese him if he hasn't put on any freeze resist armor or freeze reducers and freeze him agian repeating what you did and doing 50k damage again or if your unlucky and you don't get the double cast and you only did 25k damage.
The only melee classes I die to on my professor are LK's, Pallies, Sinx's who EDP, Creator's AD, Linkers (Hax), and Whitesmiths CT.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | Again I will say without a doubt Dark Pulse is the best person using Mage Class on this server, why? Easy if he knows someone has such and such gear he learns how to counter it and moves on. Shadow found that out last night when he walked into No Mercy. With all that magic reducing gear he still died. And he (Shadow) can complain about his (Dark's) gear, but he is one of you guys trying to reach a GTB effect without a GTB card... Someone against GTB is in fact trying to get to GTB status without the card, irony in that....
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So I'm trying to get a GTB status without the card so what? I had way to much free time on my hands (>>" I wanted go piss Adam off with fact she couldn't hit me with her magic) and next I'm still 10 mdef short from gaining 99 mdef, my next goal is trying to get 99 Def.
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| Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:40 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | To tell you the truth, I think you guys just suck at your mage classes. If your dying to melee classes without GTB, then the problem isn't with GTB, its with you. I've come to that conclusion by the bases of what your saying that melee owns magic. So in terms that means no matter what you should lose hands down to a melee user. |
That is not the truth, that is your opinion. However, your logic is faulty. It doesn't mean we suck. It means they are better than us. That, or they are using a class that GREATLY trumps magic users. There's a difference between sucking against a class, sucking against a certain person, and sucking in general. Learn to distinguish between them before you go making assumptions on a person's skill level.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | Again I will say without a doubt Dark Pulse is the best person using Mage Class on this server, why? Easy if he knows someone has such and such gear he learns how to counter it and moves on. Shadow found that out last night when he walked into No Mercy. With all that magic reducing gear he still died. And he (Shadow) can complain about his (Dark's) gear, but he is one of you guys trying to reach a GTB effect without a GTB card... Someone against GTB is in fact trying to get to GTB status without the card, irony in that....
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I'd be good too if I had a Kiel or 2, GTB, and FBH. He is good not JUST because he has mastered the class (not bagging on your skills, Jay), but because he has more accessability to skills and does double the damage any regular Wizard could do.
If I faced a Maya, I'd die because the only reliable thing I could use is Storm Gust, which doesn't do much against a smart player. While under the same circumstances, Dark Pulse may be able to win SIMPLY because of what he has that I DON'T. No, not skill, not talent, the damage and no cast delay.
This is why the Best of Class was created. In order to fight someone on a REAL level, not using the bullshit cards that only rich or VERY dedicated players can get. Everyone has almost the exact same accessibility to any card, equipment, stats, or anything in BoC. You have to actually be good at the character to be one, not flash a few cards.
By the way, GTB=\=99 mdef. They are 2 entirely different entities. This has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. Rather, it isn't even relevant.
| ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | | So I'm trying to get a GTB status without the card so what? I had way to much free time on my hands (>>" I wanted go piss Adam off with fact she couldn't hit me with her magic) and next I'm still 10 mdef short from gaining 99 mdef, my next goal is trying to get 99 Def. |
<_<;;
I'm never gonna fight you magic-on-magic again. >_>
....Strike that (switches to linker)  !
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| Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:13 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | To tell you the truth, I think you guys just suck at your mage classes. |
Maybe you should ask around. No one betters me at a prof, no matter what. I know how to play my prof, i tell you that now.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | I don't think I ever in my RO lifetime see a complete owning of a magic class, unless that person knows how to plays smart. |
You have to be smart to beat a melee dumbass with gears of equivalence. That says something. A smart magic vs a smart melee, melee will win.
| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | Again I will say without a doubt Dark Pulse is the best person using Mage Class on this server, why? Easy if he knows someone has such and such gear he learns how to counter it and moves on. Shadow found that out last night when he walked into No Mercy. With all that magic reducing gear he still died. |
Just cause he has insane gears doesnt make him the best mage class. I have seen him play, he is good, not impressive.
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:33 am |
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i am a impresive champ .
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:42 am |
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I agree with editing GTB, mostly because it effectively makes a magic class useless. There is NO way to do this against a melee class.
I've played in several servers where the reduction was reduced to 70-80% and I've also played where the reduction is at a base rate (say 50%) and it increases depending on the refine rate of your shield, up to a cap of 80%.
Doing this does not make GTB useless, it just makes magic classes 20% more useful. 
Only real problem I have with the idea: if you edit one card, it will probably start a domino effect of card editing.
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:42 am |
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| Andi wrote: | | I agree with editing GTB, mostly because it effectively makes a magic class useless. There is NO way to do this against a melee class. |
Wow. I mean, WOW! Someone else actually realizes this.
| Andi wrote: | I've played in several servers where the reduction was reduced to 70-80% and I've also played where the reduction is at a base rate (say 50%) and it increases depending on the refine rate of your shield, up to a cap of 80%.
Only real problem I have with the idea: if you edit one card, it will probably start a domino effect of card editing.
Just my two cents. |
Not to mention servers that completely remove the card. Pvp wise, there is alot of balance in those sort of servers i have played.
| Andi wrote: | | Doing this does not make GTB useless, it just makes magic classes 20% more useful. |
Not quite. You would also have supportive skills that would be effecting you then as well. Works out a bit more then 20% less better.
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Not to mention servers that completely remove the card. Pvp wise, there is alot of balance in those sort of servers i have played. |
Yes. What a concept!
| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Not quite. You would also have supportive skills that would be effecting you then as well. Works out a bit more then 20% less better. |
Can I not make poorly thought-out statements at 2:30 am? (And may I say, that last sentence made no sense, but I'm pretty sure I know what you meant. 8D)
The servers I've played that have done this have left supportive skills as null while changing the offensive spell immunity to a reduction. (Not sure how the scripting works, but whatever.) |
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:11 am |
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ok ok i get both sides and its fine the way it is *and that's a damn magic class user saying that*
But honestly the more pressing matter;
Marine, for the love of god USE COMPLETE SENTENCES AND WORDS, reading your posts is a damn pain in the ass and you make yourself look stupid as hell. Your posts show merit sometimes but the way you write them no ones going to take you seriously.
SO MARINE
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TYPE FULL WORDS
AND FULL SENTENCES
thank you.
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:24 am |
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| Andi wrote: |
Can I not make poorly thought-out statements at 2:30 am?
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No, no you may not >
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:33 am |
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make a poll pls
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:57 pm |
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Lol no one will like it. Its just one of those things that had to be done. Votes were against it last time, yet luzz was going to alter it in some way temporarily anyway.
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:36 pm |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Lol no one will like it. Its just one of those things that had to be done. Votes were against it last time, yet luzz was going to alter it in some way temporarily anyway. |
Luzz also said the same thing about the scrolls and the Ahura.... but still no dice on that either.
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