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| ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | I figure I'd add this to support my reason for voting no.
| Quote: | | I mean, jesus, they complained that inflation was the problem, well take a fkin' economics class and read the first rule. The more you have of something, the less it's worth, if zeny is created from NOTHING but killing monsters, then the total zeny increases, and is now worth less in total. Where as if you have less zeny floating around, you get more bang for your buck |
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if wad jdub said is so true , u two and also who believe tht rlly should look the real world more than a book . look at countrys with inflations and u will notice they doesnt have lot of money runing lose , now look at country with strong economic i.e europe north america : there's lot of money runing around there yet inflation doesnt seem to be around i.e america sells cars for 600 bucks .. i guess u could figure this out just by living on thoses country , u dont nid a third world person to be telling u this .. when pple is short on money they gota sell for a high price or if it have enough stock for a reasonable price to knock down the competition .. even when u are rich u wont sell ur stuf for cheap just cus u have lot of money , eventually you would go broke.. u will still sell em at a high price becus.. everyone loves money.
Just an idea , increase lottery ticket value everyone buys 1 ticket a day so let call lotery taxes . death and tax unavoidable
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:35 am |
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i voted yes of course cause i cant think of one single rpg game where monsters DIDNT drop money for the player to use at their discretion. I stand by my theory that inflation is cause in this server not by ridiculous amounts of zenny but by PLAYERS who set the prices for this stuff. its common sense that if a card becomes "rare" or valuable its going to be more expensive. But somewhere along that routine someone decided that hey..i can get 120mil for this card hehehehe. And new players like say me, when i first enter think thats about standard for a card that a few months back would prob of sold for 50-70mil. Its all about profit. and i dont care what anyone says "oh take economics and find out yada yada.....or blah blah i have my own opinion" this is what I see. want an example well here you go.
Pre 9/11 gas prices here in oklahoma were not even breaking the $1.12 a gallon mark, and that was considered HIGH here, on the DAY 9/11 happen gas prices rocketed to nearly 2.50 a gallon. And for the next 8 years, even after the 9/11 bs gas prices remained steady and high even though they had no reason to be that high. Gas fat cats were making a KILLING on profits cause they knew they could get away with it.
And i know that isnt EXACTLY like whats going on in reign, its just an example that even though somethings cheap and affordable it just takes one or a bunch of idiots to mess that up, especially if they hoard them all. anyways im done ranting.
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:40 am |
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another examples tobaco industry .
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:27 am |
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I put yes...
Removing mob zeny isn't going to affect anything. It may just bump up the prices all around since people may have felt they were selling it for cheap before. Greed is going to run a factor we have to think of a way in which all players can spend zeny on something, other than the mall. As well as supply and demand.
Currently we aren't penalizing people for using the MVP room, which is probably the main source of income in this server for most people. If we charge players for MVP's you'll see how fast prices go down.
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I just wanna add something else to my vote of leaving it as the way it is now. A simple example using Bubba's discussion in the reign chat section as the idea that I got here. You were talking to Gomen about how the zeny being built up from interest is abusing the system, cause players could accumulate 20 mil a day for nothing. Well, using that as the basic idea, that means that's 20 million more zeny on this server, making it's value go down. But that LK card you have, was worth 300 to 400 usd right? So, if that's the case it's worth so much due to there only being a handful of them on the server (about 3 I think)... C'mon people, this one's simple to figure out. If something is rare it's worth more, with this new effect in place, zeny will start to become rare (at least it should since lazy players will no longer have a way to mass generate zeny). Eventually it's value with everyone will go back to normal. But yes, at first it's gonna be bad, greedy players are gonna hike up the prices of their items since they think that the zeny has run out or something and yes, some players will buy the items off those greedy players but eventually everyone will start running low on funds and decide that they can't sell an item for 2 billion zeny and will HAVE to lower their prices or be stuck with an item they don't want. The only thing that would really help this more would be a server wide zeny wipe with the new effect in place. With no way to generate zeny rapidly the prices should go back to normal within a few days (by normal I mean something like phreeoni only being like ... 10 million zeny or something like that instead of 20 mil like I seen it being sold for).
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If something is rare, it is worth more.
Compared to everything else, selling anything that is NOT that rare item seems frivolous. So, since people can't get that Hot Item, they'll jack up their prices on anything else, to try to accommodate. Even if their garbage isn't worth a quarter of the Hot Item, they will sell it for(At the very least) half the Hot Item's price.
I base this argument on the grounds that we've all witnessed it.
You guys know who you are.
You see one retard selling something for 3x its price, and you decide "HE CAN'T BE WRONG! I MUST SELL HIGHER! I MUST MILK THIS TRAIN!"
But that one wrong guy just keeps seeing the prices get higher, so he raises his prices.
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:22 pm |
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| marine wrote: | | ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | I figure I'd add this to support my reason for voting no.
| Quote: | | I mean, jesus, they complained that inflation was the problem, well take a fkin' economics class and read the first rule. The more you have of something, the less it's worth, if zeny is created from NOTHING but killing monsters, then the total zeny increases, and is now worth less in total. Where as if you have less zeny floating around, you get more bang for your buck |
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if wad jdub said is so true , u two and also who believe tht rlly should look the real world more than a book . look at countrys with inflations and u will notice they doesnt have lot of money runing lose , now look at country with strong economic i.e europe north america : there's lot of money runing around there yet inflation doesnt seem to be around i.e america sells cars for 600 bucks .. i guess u could figure this out just by living on thoses country , u dont nid a third world person to be telling u this .. when pple is short on money they gota sell for a high price or if it have enough stock for a reasonable price to knock down the competition .. even when u are rich u wont sell ur stuf for cheap just cus u have lot of money , eventually you would go broke.. u will still sell em at a high price becus.. everyone loves money.
Just an idea , increase lottery ticket value everyone buys 1 ticket a day so let call lotery taxes . death and tax unavoidable |
Someone is talking out of his/her ass again. You have never attended an econ lecture, have you?
Not only is the economic model in RO much simpler than real world model, but they are also very different. The problem of inflation in currency in RO is due to slow rate of population increase and lack of zeny consumption mechanism, not because of the rational behavior of people selling items for what its worth.
Now go prove me wrong.
GM is trying hard to fix this problem while minimizing the impact on the players. People should just stfu and make the small sacrifice. |
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:54 pm |
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| JDUB wrote: | | marine wrote: | | ShadowNguyen91 wrote: | I figure I'd add this to support my reason for voting no.
| Quote: | | I mean, jesus, they complained that inflation was the problem, well take a fkin' economics class and read the first rule. The more you have of something, the less it's worth, if zeny is created from NOTHING but killing monsters, then the total zeny increases, and is now worth less in total. Where as if you have less zeny floating around, you get more bang for your buck |
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if wad jdub said is so true , u two and also who believe tht rlly should look the real world more than a book . look at countrys with inflations and u will notice they doesnt have lot of money runing lose , now look at country with strong economic i.e europe north america : there's lot of money runing around there yet inflation doesnt seem to be around i.e america sells cars for 600 bucks .. i guess u could figure this out just by living on thoses country , u dont nid a third world person to be telling u this .. when pple is short on money they gota sell for a high price or if it have enough stock for a reasonable price to knock down the competition .. even when u are rich u wont sell ur stuf for cheap just cus u have lot of money , eventually you would go broke.. u will still sell em at a high price becus.. everyone loves money.
Just an idea , increase lottery ticket value everyone buys 1 ticket a day so let call lotery taxes . death and tax unavoidable |
Someone is talking out of his/her ass again. You have never attended an econ lecture, have you?
Not only is the economic model in RO much simpler than real world model, but they are also very different. The problem of inflation in currency in RO is due to slow rate of population increase and lack of zeny consumption mechanism, not because of the rational behavior of people selling items for what its worth.
Now go prove me wrong.
GM is trying hard to fix this problem while minimizing the impact on the players. People should just stfu and make the small sacrifice. |
Seconded.
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| Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:05 pm |
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seem like if u dint see tht my post wasnt out all of ro , i puted u real live real country diferences . go read books again , but u're very wrong reality is far diferent than a book .
talk out of my ass , pank .. go out and see the world news a bit , better yet go for a walk and see it with ur own eyes live and direct .
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I voted no.
Why? Because animals don't carry money around. |
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:19 am |
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| Andi wrote: | I voted no.
Why? Because animals don't carry money around. |
lawls, add that to my reason for voting no as well. Also, on the topic of games where enemies don't drop money... PSO, Morrowind (only people carry money =D), And countless others. Usually an enemy will drop one or the other, rarely both. Just adding my two cents there on that one.
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| Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:42 am |
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| marine wrote: | seem like if u dint see tht my post wasnt out all of ro , i puted u real live real country diferences . go read books again , but u're very wrong reality is far diferent than a book .
talk out of my ass , pank .. go out and see the world news a bit , better yet go for a walk and see it with ur own eyes live and direct . |
lol you are stupid.
The reason why countries like US/Japan/Canda have relatively high income level and economic influence is due to their technological innovation and advances. The reason why China and Indian has strong economy is b/c they provide cheap labor source for investors.
Let me explain this to you like you are a 10 year-old kid.
The reason America can have so much money but not everyone is rolling in cash is due to the imbalance of income and wealth distribution.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/111232
Now, why do I call you stupid? Why are things cheaper in developing countries? one of the reasons is due to currency conversion, and the government in the developing countries are lowering the currency to attract investors. Lower currency means the investors can buy more production power/labor/resources with the same amount of money. There are also things like cost of transportation, product quality control, and etc other reasons. (blah blah blah no one reads this anyway... i hate talking to stupid)
Anyways, since rules of econ in RO doesn't involve such things like investors, developing standards of living, or increasing technological advantage... Money(Zeny) runs wild. |
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+2 points to JDUB for that last post >_>
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| Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:28 am |
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eric if you know so much of economy , trow ideas to fix it here .
You put a link from a oldman speech = u get all wad u say out of books .. one more time go out for a walk or watch the news .
and to dog quoting something you said :
just wanna add something else to my vote of leaving it as the way it is now. A simple example using Bubba's discussion in the reign chat section as the idea that I got here. You were talking to Gomen about how the zeny being built up from interest is abusing the system, cause players could accumulate 20 mil a day for nothing. Well, using that as the basic idea, that means that's 20 million more zeny on this server, making it's value go down. But that LK card you have, was worth 300 to 400 usd right? So, if that's the case it's worth so much due to there only being a handful of them on the server (about 3 I think)... C'mon people, this one's simple to figure out. If something is rare it's worth more, with this new effect in place, zeny will start to become rare (at least it should since lazy players will no longer have a way to mass generate zeny).
Zeny get rare , the value of the same goes up and so goes up the value of the items pple sells for zeny and gold coint value as well , c'mon this one's easy to figure .
i.e: make 100 epd took about 2-4 hrs and price was set on a 200k-300k each edp makin a total of 20-30m , at the same time u could be oding zeny on mvp room doing about the same zeny , aniway is up to players set up their prices tht's how i think . Maybe a new player more in nid than zeny will sell cheaper just to make sellings fasters .
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| Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:41 am |
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| marine wrote: | | u get all wad u say out of books |
Personally, when i want information, i want it from sources of books mostly, not over exaggerated news on tv.
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