 Topic: Giggling box should ban in WOE...anyone agree? |
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| Do you think that giggling box should be ban in woe? |
| yes, i hate people using it >:( |
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| no, because i'm using it(it help me alot in WOE =D) |
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| no, it is part of the game(don't think it should be ban) |
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Glenfiddich
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Hunt a ghostring card then.
This was a game designed for hp items (such as white potion) to be very effective.
I have never used a giggling box, but i personally find it a good idea. Because there is so much hp per character in this game, white potions have become pitiful, which shouldn't be so.
Giggling box's make the game more like what it was originally purposed, while still maintaining the mid rate rates. Because of this item, you can actually heal yourself effectively again.
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:50 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | Hunt a ghostring card then.
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it's easier said than done 
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I have never used a giggling box, but i personally find it a good idea. Because there is so much hp per character in this game, white potions have become pitiful, which shouldn't be so.
Giggling box's make the game more like what it was originally purposed, while still maintaining the mid rate rates. Because of this item, you can actually heal yourself effectively again. |
still, if u have used pots u'll realize that even pots have some delay when u're using them. and they still have a max limit for hp healed (if u read the code, the max healed hp would be around 405, says the script) while gigglings don't have any "cast delay" or max hp healed.
in a low rate, lvl 99 max lvl server, a pally with 99vit will still heal only 405 whilst using giggling, u might heal some 1452 hp per use.
this doesn't make giggling like a white pot in the officials, but a much more effective and annoying healing item.
if this is to be compared to the "original", well, it can't be compared  |
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:21 pm |
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:26 pm |
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| Zebruh wrote: | They don't call you "Klever" for nothin'. I vote for his/her idea, over banning them completely.
Adding some of those would make it less annoying for other people.
Words words words words.
If that one guy takes a castle guarded by ten people, those ten people shouldn't have a problem taking it back before he kills them all, right?
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thanks agreeing with my point
but what happens if that guy got the castle guarded by 10 people at the very last minute? how are those 10 people going to take the castle back?  |
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:33 pm |
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kinness
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| klever wrote: |
still, if u have used pots u'll realize that even pots have some delay when u're using them. and they still have a max limit for hp healed (if u read the code, the max healed hp would be around 405, says the script) |
this post is not about agree or disagree...
if i not mistake healing item like meat, monster feed and potion(red, white...)
will heal more if you have more vit...
i'm i right?
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:18 pm |
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Well, it was 10 people, why couldn't they stop 1 guy, even if he was spaming giggling boxes? And there isn't a deley in spaming pots as far as I can see, and I have used white pots in woe before, and it spams just like any other day, so I donno where you're getting the deley from I've never noticed. O.o;;
Any how everyone has valid points for and against it. But really I've noticed a huge divide that most people who want it banned are those who have come across it in woe and find it irritating because they cant kill someone who spam it, just think, if everyone and their mother had a TAO card... then we'd be whining about that. D: just an example. Honestly guys, if you come across someone using a different new stratagy then don't be lazy, come up with one yourself!! I mean, there are ways to counter as people have been saying. Someone spams giggling boxes, and all you have is a biochem or a priest healing you, figure out how to get them to heal more with each heal/potion pitcher.
It's just a little extra work! I mean the people who use it work hard to get the item! So why not work hard to counter it instead of getting it banned the cheep and easy way out. D:
Anyhow that's my twocents again  more indepth this time I guess.
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:18 pm |
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| klever wrote: | | Zebruh wrote: | They don't call you "Klever" for nothin'. I vote for his/her idea, over banning them completely.
Adding some of those would make it less annoying for other people.
Words words words words.
If that one guy takes a castle guarded by ten people, those ten people shouldn't have a problem taking it back before he kills them all, right?
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thanks agreeing with my point :D
but what happens if that guy got the castle guarded by 10 people at the very last minute? how are those 10 people going to take the castle back? :roll: |
The same way he got the castle to begin with.
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| Anam wrote: | | Honestly guys, if you come across someone using a different new stratagy then don't be lazy, come up with one yourself!! |
This is my opinion on this entire matter.
In my mind, Giggling Boxes are not something that are easily obtained. If they were buyable via NPCs, I could see your problem. However, as this item requires the combined task of obtaining an appropriate card and then killing Undead monsters. Both time and effort are invested prior to WoE, and the rewards are obtained in the form of using these boxes.
The answer to players using these boxes is to put forth time and effort in a strategy against them.
With all due respect, unless an item is astoundingly off-balance (such as Angra, Aesprika, or Ahura), requesting that an item be banned is far too much of a stretch. Unless every single strategy has been tried and has failed, there is still more that can be used against it.
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:08 pm |
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Funny thing is more then half of the ppl who is posting things on this topic don't even woe and did not experience it. So how would you know? and your siting there and saying this and that and this and bleh bleh bleh
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:13 pm |
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| Anam wrote: | | Well, it was 10 people, why couldn't they stop 1 guy, even if he was spaming giggling boxes? And there isn't a deley in spaming pots as far as I can see, and I have used white pots in woe before, and it spams just like any other day, so I donno where you're getting the deley from I've never noticed. O.o;; |
Well, the reason why 10 people cannot stop 1 guy is those 10 people facing a full vit LK with Tao card, Gtb card and spamming more than 1k of giggling box. He cannot get coma, he can kill and he can still spam and he still can use magnum break skill to get off the trapes which means if he have 300k hp and spamming giggling boxes will heal up to 27k hp each box.
Everyone can spam white pots but white pots cannot heal up to 27k each time and high priest heal the max 8k-9k unless you have Bascojin card, it can heal up to 10-11k but heal skill have delay which you cannot survive against a Lk damage. Same with biochemist potion pitcher skill, it have delay after skill.
| Anam wrote: | Any how everyone has valid points for and against it. But really I've noticed a huge divide that most people who want it banned are those who have come across it in woe and find it irritating because they cant kill someone who spam it, just think, if everyone and their mother had a TAO card... then we'd be whining about that. D: just an example. Honestly guys, if you come across someone using a different new stratagy then don't be lazy, come up with one yourself!! I mean, there are ways to counter as people have been saying. Someone spams giggling boxes, and all you have is a biochem or a priest healing you, figure out how to get them to heal more with each heal/potion pitcher.
It's just a little extra work! I mean the people who use it work hard to get the item! So why not work hard to counter it instead of getting it banned the cheep and easy way out. D: |
Maybe they have tried it and think it should be restricted using those giggling boxes. Only people who encounter those during the woe time will know what's really going on.
For my opinion, add up the delay time( cool down time) by using those boxes will solve the problem.
| Skye wrote: | | In my mind, Giggling Boxes are not something that are easily obtained. If they were buyable via NPCs, I could see your problem. However, as this item requires the combined task of obtaining an appropriate card and then killing Undead monsters. Both time and effort are invested prior to WoE, and the rewards are obtained in the form of using these boxes. |
Giggling boxes are easy to obtain due to the drop rate in this server. Some vendors at payon selling it which is easy to obtain too. |
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:16 pm |
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| Pimpgirl wrote: |
Well, the reason why 10 people cannot stop 1 guy is those 10 people facing a full vit LK with Tao card, Gtb card and spamming more than 1k of giggling box. |
20 weight x 1k = 20,000 weight.
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| Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:42 pm |
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| Pimpgirl wrote: | | Giggling boxes are easy to obtain due to the drop rate in this server. Some vendors at payon selling it which is easy to obtain too. |
My point remains that they require effort to obtain. Whether through earning zeny to buy them from vendors or spending time to kill Undead monsters. The effort is spent on preparation for WoE. Preemptive preparation.
I do, however, see the point of 9% being quite high. I'm currently thinking this part over, but I haven't come to a personal conclusion yet.
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| Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:25 am |
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| Skye wrote: |
I do, however, see the point of 9% being quite high. I'm currently thinking this part over, but I haven't come to a personal conclusion yet. |
9% isnt that bad. 30% curse would be annoying. One more pot you now have to hotkey to rid the curse. Again, though, i also wouldn't see the harm in dropping the % heal either.
Its just the equivalent, or close to, what white potions should be.
@the person who said pots have delay. I dont think they do in woe. You can spam like a mofo.
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| Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:59 am |
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If they're so easy to get, then you just go friggin' get some, and then do to them what they do to you.
If it doesn't work, then their strategy or their team is better assembled.
We can't all be winners.
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| Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:13 am |
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| Zebruh wrote: | If they're so easy to get, then you just go friggin' get some, and then do to them what they do to you.
If it doesn't work, then their strategy or their team is better assembled.
We can't all be winners. |
my friend, i'm wondering did u join WoE before.....
LK have more hp and damage and LK able to kill wiz, sniper, sinx...with 3 bowling bash (they don't have the chance using giggling box....)
your idea only able apply for same job character....
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