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| Xzerostu wrote: | You never know, gravity could always fix them up so well that it makes ro better forever, and remember Officially you cant have 2-1 and 2-2 skills while you have 3-1 and 3-2 skills, officially it doesnt work that way. So my guess is that it should work the same here. You should be presented with a choice. To change and use a new classicfication of skills. Or to keep the old. then maybe increase how many characters you can have a bit.
LK's will loose beserk if they switch to rune knight in a real scenario, so kiels or not with hundred spear theyd be inhibited. Warlock might be a good issue here, and so might Sorcerer, but they also have there flaws that profs made up for and high wiz's made up for. And on top of that SInx's they become cheaper as gilx's but at a big cost. NO edp.
I think these examples are self sufficient, and that we will live.
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And in regards to AD spam- People will still bragi dual client, an AD spammer can get the job done in that limited of time, especially if they are skilled. |
yes they shouldn't use 2-1 / 2-2 skills when using 3-1 / 3-2 skills, in the other server i played, the Ranger lost its falcon 'cause when the early rolled out 3rd classes got sly and cunning, the Rangers used their wargs with falcons, causing bugs and glitches in the game, RK's can still use Berserk but it defeated their use so they bacame LK's again at that, and with EDP being a very clear fail on the GXs, they re-adjusted it to be like Bash, the SinX has EDP = x4 of PATK including Masteries, GX EDP = ATK including masteries + 400% base PATK, this is how they balanced EDP for GXs, like how BASH works for Knights, it multiplies their damage but not the weapon mastery and card effects, but other buffs still works with GX EDP.
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Neo Genisis
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| How about this? Implement 3rd Classes. Do not allow 3rd Class Spells/Skills in PVP / WoE. ^^ |
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| Neo Genisis wrote: | | How about this? Implement 3rd Classes. Do not allow 3rd Class Spells/Skills in PVP / WoE. ^^ |
I would be completely fine with that. XD
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Before talking about the 3rd class, I find it funny that almost every single thread you start there going to be a debate.
One: What Luzz decided to do is his decision. If Kiels are useless after the update, okay then it's useless. Even if we type it a thousand or million time it's not going to change the fact that it MIGHT be useless.
Two: Imbalance, isn't there a thread over Lord Knight Bowling Bash being too strong? Guess what, the majority of the server is now Lord Knight. Why, ._. I don't know? Also, remember how GTB is also imbalance too? Guess what? Nothing happen. Instead of whining or acting just finds way around the imbalance. I'm pretty sure that some of us are smart enough to use our brain.
I'm always wondering if you have something against rare cards. For the most part of your post you continue to type about Kiels. Sad enough, it's actually the whole post. Also, if you read Adam's post, there no way to avoid AD spamming, with or without Kiels. I don't see the point of starting a new thread when there is already one started about this topic. Just because Kiels wasn't the main objective in the other thread doesn't necessary mean there must be a thread over Kiels.
Also, to Casey. What the point of bring in the 3rd class without getting to try it on other human pixel? =D Plus this is not really an important topic due to the fact that even IRO is trying to finish cleaning up the bugs, and also fixing the imbalance skill. Of course, once we choose to play Reign there going to be an imbalance since Luzz does not like to alter IRO skills. ._. Let's be honest IRO skills were meant to be low rate not a mid-rate like Reign, so there is going to be an imbalance. However, it's just part of the game play now. Also, Luzz didn't even announce when he going to release the 3rd class skill yet. Therefore, instead of bickering over this is pretty much useless.
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Winks incase you didnt notice, in the other thread people were shitting bricks over what new skills could be spammed by any third classes, Genetics just so happened to be the worst.
Now alternatively we could also disable bard skills / bragi in WoE, but that would cause far too much a shit storm.
And no not all my posts cause great controversy, you just so happen to be looking for it and therefore, you are finding it.
The original intention of this thread, was to make people stop shitting bricks over any kind of spammable skills form any class, not just your class, and get 3'rd jobs one step closer to being on this server.
Chill, believe it or not, this game isnt solely about you, and whatever flavor of the month class you play that your cards fit that flavor best.
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Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
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| sourlime wrote: | | Also, to Casey. What the point of bring in the 3rd class without getting to try it on other human pixel? =D |
You could always use @duel and go to a map where skills are usable. Or there could be a 3rd Job Usable PVP Room / Private PVP Room Set up. The point would be to get the classes onto the server. Let people start using them and see what problems arise. We can give useful feedback to Luzz by testing them ourselves. We know Luzz doesn't want to warp things, and you guys don't even know yet if you'll be able to keep your Trans Class skills and be able to go 3rd Job. |
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The post above me is reason #3095293582847584297839, I like Neo Genisis.
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| EdgarGrimfang wrote: |
Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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| Neo Genisis wrote: | | sourlime wrote: | | Also, to Casey. What the point of bring in the 3rd class without getting to try it on other human pixel? =D |
You could always use @duel and go to a map where skills are usable. Or there could be a 3rd Job Usable PVP Room / Private PVP Room Set up. The point would be to get the classes onto the server. Let people start using them and see what problems arise. We can give useful feedback to Luzz by testing them ourselves. We know Luzz doesn't want to warp things, and you guys don't even know yet if you'll be able to keep your Trans Class skills and be able to go 3rd Job. |
Isn't it better to wait for an official release from IRO first before we jump to conclusion. We already suggested that we test try a few suggestion, but Luzz doesn't have the time to answer to those suggestion leave alone one to test the 3rd class skill.
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| I'm neither for or against having them on the server. Honestly they wouldn't mean a bit of difference to me, for the most part. I just figure if people are so in need of their 3rd job class skills, let them have it, but don't let them have it in WoE or PVP, places where it would make a big difference in balance. Let them test it on monster mobs or each other in @duels. Gives them a little glimpse of the possible future. |
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To me, I don't really care it's just going to be part of the game play. I think people over react toward unnecessary objective. No matter how great a skill is without a person behind playing the character correctly it still wouldn't matter. It's pretty much depend on a person reflex instead of the skills.
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| *chimes in for Krimson* The weapon doesnt make the player. The player makes the weapon. |
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Both of you try convincing that to all the third class nay-sayers, and good luck XD. No srsly, i wanna screw around in giant robot white smiths.
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| EdgarGrimfang wrote: |
Because that good sir, would make sense, and thus defuse the entire argument. |
| EdgarGrimfang wrote: | Remember kids, Cigarettes are alot like hamsters. Utterly harmless to have until placed into your mouth, and lit on fire.
Don't smoke hamsters kids. |
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Last I heard, you can have 2-1 and 3-1, and 2-2 and 3-2 skills at the same time. Instead of going from base straight to third class, all you need to do is go transcendent and then third class, then you can carry your transcendent skills over.
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | | Last I heard, you can have 2-1 and 3-1, and 2-2 and 3-2 skills at the same time. Instead of going from base straight to third class, all you need to do is go transcendent and then third class, then you can carry your transcendent skills over. |
Here or officially? |
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Officially I believe it is.
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