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JDUB
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| marine wrote: | | Zebruh wrote: | | Asprika was taken out already. It used to be in there. |
if im not wrong there was asprika + scrolls at same time , like this the scrolls were added to reign before aesprika even appeared on ratemyserver. Hence when the aesprika where put in reign for a trial , there was holy and undead scrolls to stack with it .
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Aesprika was out for at least a month or two b4 I discovered those new silver coin hats that drops scrolls actually worked. I tried to keep it a secret for 2 or 3 weeks while everyone was busy getting their poring/fish hat.
At the start, I knew the aesprika+scroll+resist pots were totally imbalanced and allowed triple elemental immunity. (holy and two of earth, light, fire, water) It was fun times with Trashy.
Maybe the RO developers hate the wizard class. I vote to take them out. |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:46 am |
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| JDUB wrote: | | marine wrote: | | Zebruh wrote: | | Asprika was taken out already. It used to be in there. |
if im not wrong there was asprika + scrolls at same time , like this the scrolls were added to reign before aesprika even appeared on ratemyserver. Hence when the aesprika where put in reign for a trial , there was holy and undead scrolls to stack with it .
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Aesprika was out for at least a month or two b4 I discovered those new silver coin hats that drops scrolls actually worked. I tried to keep it a secret for 2 or 3 weeks while everyone was busy getting their poring/fish hat.
At the start, I knew the aesprika+scroll+resist pots were totally imbalanced and allowed triple elemental immunity. (holy and two of earth, light, fire, water) It was fun times with Trashy.
Maybe the RO developers hate the wizard class. I vote to take them out. |
basicly cus this the asprika was removed , i dint played then but i dont get why every server with aesprika dont have complain of umbalance less here , so wht ur dmg will be lower , but with no reducers at all i think a lot of jobs can one hit everything . |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:53 am |
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PhantomBlood
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no, if you have no aesprika and no scrolls you can still achieve 100% immunity to pretty much any element you want depending on what gear you use. the point is to only be immune to one element at a time and not 2 or 3 as I said in my earlier rather long post
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:56 am |
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marine
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | | no, if you have no aesprika and no scrolls you can still achieve 100% immunity to pretty much any element you want depending on what gear you use. the point is to only be immune to one element at a time and not 2 or 3 as I said in my earlier rather long post |
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i bet u can as soon someone is about to hit u know wht element he is a to use and get inmune to it . and like on ur last post u said with aesprika alone u can get inmune to 2 or 3 eles at once , resist pots doesnt stacks ur headgears slots arent enough and there arent scrolls to stack . u get 30% to fire and water from asprika + 20% from shield , then wht headgears slots you only have 5 of them figure u go 3 leib omai and 2 leaf cats , u end with 80% from fire and 70 from water , without maya purple , stat inmunity cards , u eat fire resist pot to get 100% ur water one goes down to 50% again , u wear elemental armor u lose armor slot and u become weaker to another stats and as diference as resist pots wear a elemental armor is more than a 20% of penalty .
cant be inmune to two ele just with asprika . |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:05 am |
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PhantomBlood
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| marine wrote: | | PhantomBlood wrote: | | no, if you have no aesprika and no scrolls you can still achieve 100% immunity to pretty much any element you want depending on what gear you use. the point is to only be immune to one element at a time and not 2 or 3 as I said in my earlier rather long post |
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i bet u can as soon someone is about to hit u know wht element he is a to use and get inmune to it . and like on ur last post u said with aesprika alone u can get inmune to 2 or 3 eles at once , resist pots doesnt stacks ur headgears slots arent enough and there arent scrolls to stack . u get 30% to fire and water from asprika + 20% from shield , then wht headgears slots you only have 5 of them figure u go 3 leib omai and 2 leaf cats , u end with 80% from fire and 70 from water , without maya purple , stat inmunity cards , u eat fire resist pot to get 100% ur water one goes down to 50% again , u wear elemental armor u lose armor slot and u become weaker to another stats and as diference as resist pots wear a elemental armor is more than a 20% of penalty .
cant be inmune to two ele just with asprika . |
you can if you use pisces helm even if pisces helm only reduces 15% from both water and fire
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:07 am |
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | | marine wrote: | | PhantomBlood wrote: | | no, if you have no aesprika and no scrolls you can still achieve 100% immunity to pretty much any element you want depending on what gear you use. the point is to only be immune to one element at a time and not 2 or 3 as I said in my earlier rather long post |
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i bet u can as soon someone is about to hit u know wht element he is a to use and get inmune to it . and like on ur last post u said with aesprika alone u can get inmune to 2 or 3 eles at once , resist pots doesnt stacks ur headgears slots arent enough and there arent scrolls to stack . u get 30% to fire and water from asprika + 20% from shield , then wht headgears slots you only have 5 of them figure u go 3 leib omai and 2 leaf cats , u end with 80% from fire and 70 from water , without maya purple , stat inmunity cards , u eat fire resist pot to get 100% ur water one goes down to 50% again , u wear elemental armor u lose armor slot and u become weaker to another stats and as diference as resist pots wear a elemental armor is more than a 20% of penalty .
cant be inmune to two ele just with asprika . |
you can if you use pisces helm even if pisces helm only reduces 15% from both water and fire |
let me try again u are at 50% with helm u go up to 65% from each 2 leib omai 2 leaf cats u go up to 85% u still 15% lackin to inmune then ur choice is angeling u get inmune to both but at same time shadow will get u just fine , or swordfish armor u get inmune to both but then wind will get u even worst . for both examples u are out of headgears slot, so no maya p , stat inmunity cards as orc hero neither , and u have to use armor slot so u will be frozen no by frost diver but u will by marina card sk and garm and u will be weak to other eles . |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:13 am |
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PhantomBlood
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that's a pretty good point. Well then at this point I think the best thing to do is remove the scrolls, put aesprika back, change pisces helm to 15% to both fire and water and then do a 2 week woe trial period with those settings to see what people think and take it from there
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:17 am |
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Glenfiddich
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Aesprika should not even be in this topic, it should absolutely most positively stay removed. For those here who want it back, you should have been here when it was in pvp, it was horrible.
| JDUB wrote: | | At the start, I knew the aesprika+scroll+resist pots were totally imbalanced and allowed triple elemental immunity. |
And there is the reason why.
| JDUB wrote: | | Maybe the RO developers hate the wizard class. I vote to take them out. |
Amen to that. I miss my prof so, so bad.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:07 am |
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the differing opinions are why it needs to be a 2 week trial once pisces helm has changed. I still agree with keeping aesprika out cause i do remember how horrible it was to have it in and I still hate the fact that you basically need aesprika otherwise you guaranteed do 30% less damage than your opponent who would be wearing it. It forces you to wear it and tbh I fkin hate wearing it just so i can live, i like my +9 valk mant thanks.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:17 am |
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| Glenfiddich wrote: | Aesprika should not even be in this topic, it should absolutely most positively stay removed. For those here who want it back, you should have been here when it was in pvp, it was horrible.
| JDUB wrote: | | At the start, I knew the aesprika+scroll+resist pots were totally imbalanced and allowed triple elemental immunity. |
And there is the reason why.
| JDUB wrote: | | Maybe the RO developers hate the wizard class. I vote to take them out. |
Amen to that. I miss my prof so, so bad. |
is pretty ironic ur post says when it was in pvp was horrible then u quote jdub sayin he stacked scrolls with asprika , see why pvp was horrible ? because pple where abusing asprika with scrolls . It really tires me repeat myself over and over but it seems pple just dont get it , the time aesprika were put into here PEOPLE ABUSED IT , for god sake jdub even say he joked with trashy about this isnt trashy a GM?
Said by JDUB "At the start, I knew the aesprika+scroll+resist pots were totally imbalanced and allowed triple elemental immunity. (holy and two of earth, light, fire, water) It was fun times with Trashy."
and there's the reason why scrolls should never been around , ruined a god item tht originally is not unbalance :/
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:37 am |
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | | the differing opinions are why it needs to be a 2 week trial once pisces helm has changed. I still agree with keeping aesprika out cause i do remember how horrible it was to have it in and I still hate the fact that you basically need aesprika otherwise you guaranteed do 30% less damage than your opponent who would be wearing it. It forces you to wear it and tbh I fkin hate wearing it just so i can live, i like my +9 valk mant thanks. |
Double postin well , there's no thing as u're forced to use it , if u LOVE ur +9 +10 valk manteu cus reflects dmg then use it . To make a point i clarify, here i detest see 60% reflect dmg lks abusin scrolls getin reductions as if they wearin an aesprika but stil reflecting 60% dmg .. or even worst 100% reflect pallys with uber reducers thx to scrolls , aesprika get u to chose reductions or reflect. |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:40 am |
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I view both opinions of this equally so sorry for double post however that IS why I said a 2 week trial would be best for this =)
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:42 am |
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| i agree make a trial but wht again put aesprika in with scrolls to pple to abuse em is the same.The only way to make a trial for aesprika is to destroy scrolls script to do nothing . |
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:51 am |
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I agree because the holy/undead combined = more resistance than aesprika.
Only as long as pisces helm changes as well though, 30% to fire is too high.
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| Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:57 am |
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| PhantomBlood wrote: | I agree because the holy/undead combined = more resistance than aesprika.
Only as long as pisces helm changes as well though, 30% to fire is too high. |
definetly pisces helm will change tht without a doubt , i think it gona go down to 10% or 15% . |
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