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| Scarling wrote: | I'd like to remind everyone that Luzz did say if you had any feedback to reply directly to him and not eachother. With that said, I dont see how starting the same thread over and over will really change anything.
Anyway, I think suggesting to remove/change class skills and/or cards because they make certain skills too powerful is silly, and why not suggest removing 2 slotted headgear if too many kiels or bascos is the problem.
Not that I personally think that should happen, because I dont. I just dont undersatnd why that is not being suggested instead of changing official skills and cards. The skills and cards would not be so powerful if there were only 2 headgear slots, So why suggest removie skills from a couple classes instead of suggesting to remove the option for more headgear slots??? Because it would probably gimp your class, right? Who really goes into woe with 2/5 headgear slots filled. Also there are other very powerful cards that are useful for other classes that are not beneficial to these healing classes what so ever, like thanatos for example. Going by what you guys are saying maybe only 1 slotted weapons should be used in WOE since thanatos with damage multipliers is so powerful. EDP isnt fun either. I think you can see where this is going ...
Suggesting to remove class skills / cards is just ridiculous when the number of slots to put them in is what makes them so powerful. And how powerful they are shouldnt even be a problem since (like someone mentioned earlier, but I cant find the post to quote it) the players who have these cards worked hard to farm/donated or farmed zeny to buy gold coins to get these cards, and anyone else could do the same thing. |
How many people are comfortable with talking to Luzz? What is so wrong about gathering each other input? Also, if you do not feel that this thread is necessary please do not post in it since that will only attract more attention to this thread.
I think the skill removal was pretty much a trolling post, so that shouldn't be mention anymore. Kiels, Thanatos, Golden Thief Bug, etc are all rares that people consistently whines about. Golden Thief Bug will not be change due to the fact that it been brought up at least 100 times without a reply from Luzz. Thanatos is pretty much not that a great to start with. Kiel is one of the forever living spike in many players. I used Kiels before, and I know how overpowering they are. I know how hard it is to obtain them, but still how many players in the server will accept the fact that this is a non-ending debate. It's true not everybody will be happy no matter what type of decision is made. I'm asking for different input into the situation since a player claim that without healing item there will no balance due to the overpowering cards. If there is a change to Healing items, why can't there be a change to the overpowering cards? Yes, it's just a handful of people that want change to Rares, but the server itself is only a handful too. Without some type of an agreement there will be players leaving the server due to the change that they might think is unreasonable.
Edit: -_- type the wrong word, sorry
@Krimson- I didn't think it was necessary for the trial to run more than 1 week since there 3 WoE. I do think that Luzz should implant the 2 castle per an hour WoE before changing the healing items. With only 2 castles available players will surely WoE differently, so in my opinion Luzz should install all of his trial before starting with the healing items trial
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:28 pm |
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| Scarling wrote: | I'd like to remind everyone that Luzz did say if you had any feedback to reply directly to him and not eachother. With that said, I dont see how starting the same thread over and over will really change anything.
Anyway, I think suggesting to remove/change class skills and/or cards because they make certain skills too powerful is silly, and why not suggest removing 2 slotted headgear if too many kiels or bascos is the problem.
Not that I personally think that should happen, because I dont. I just dont undersatnd why that is not being suggested instead of changing official skills and cards. The skills and cards would not be so powerful if there were only 2 headgear slots, So why suggest removie skills from a couple classes instead of suggesting to remove the option for more headgear slots??? Because it would probably gimp your class, right? Who really goes into woe with 2/5 headgear slots filled. Also there are other very powerful cards that are useful for other classes that are not beneficial to these healing classes what so ever, like thanatos for example. Going by what you guys are saying maybe only 1 slotted weapons should be used in WOE since thanatos with damage multipliers is so powerful. EDP isnt fun either. I think you can see where this is going ...
Suggesting to remove class skills / cards is just ridiculous when the number of slots to put them in is what makes them so powerful. And how powerful they are shouldnt even be a problem since (like someone mentioned earlier, but I cant find the post to quote it) the players who have these cards worked hard to farm/donated or farmed zeny to buy gold coins to get these cards, and anyone else could do the same thing. |
+1 to hardcore momma. I miss you! ;(
As for the thread,
@Luzz
I would love to be a janitor myself only to help you clean the forum.
Teehee~
@reign-ers
Why hustling over any item? Are you at disadvantage if Luzz decision been *stoned*?
I'm not playing old here.
But by seeing 2-3 threads that got locked *you-call-this-w/e discussion*
and still trying to get Luzz making a decision that gonna satisfy ALL sides 100%? Golly, you're a total idealist.
If anything, a change is a change. Either you like it, or not.
You may like it, for it makes you at advantage.
Or,
You keep on (pardon my languange) moanin, because you are at disadvantage?
You tell me. 
*ps, english ain't my native language. But i'll try to cope on the cursing. lol
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm |
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2-3 Thread were close because there was no discussion instead it was only flaming random people. At least this one stop the flaming half a page ago. (In Theory)
Luzz cannot make a decision that will result in 100% happiest, but he can read a thread that is organize. Right now, I'm just gathering different people opinion, and trying to organize it without the flaming post. Even if Luzz decided to change something, it does not necessary mean it is the best decision for the server. Isn't it the best to know what does the server think of this decision, and what is their comment? Also, it's true that the major of the server want a delay, but not a 3 second delay (That my opinion). Why can't we have more than one trial to determine what exactly do we want. Nothing is impossible if you try, right? |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:45 pm |
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For the records, i am not into the trial or even trial(s).
I just dont see the valid reason, why?
This is not a test server. But, if you really want things to happen quickly, or at least happening. Gather those major legit voices, gave the admin those scripts (in order to get faster effect, it its go through), no?
Luzz and his staffs are not here only to hear you guys, +1 to this luzz,
No, -1 to that Luzz. Implement this, implement that. For example, you might want to rumble the debate of asprika, and after it got *banned* from woe. There's another thread asking for it to come back. iLol.
I have to admit, no matter what the decision is. There always be someone/people who didn't like it. Thus, keep nagging. Will that result in good result? Or viceversa?
For me, that's childish. (my opinion tho, not attacking anyone >3<)
I am not trying to argue with/or flame anyone, if this is an open forum, then I want to get some fun too. :B
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:06 pm |
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Well you made a post asking for peoples opinions. Whether I think this thread is necessary or not, I had an opinion regarding the suggestions being made. Anyway, I think you completely missed my point. Kiel would not be so OP if there were not 5 heagear slots. So why arent people pushing to change the headgear? The reason is because the headgear slots benefit them even if they are not Kiel users, and also getting rid of kiels is a way to solve THIER problem, without gimping themselves by suggesting to remove slots. Again, not that I think either of those things should happen, I just think people should get over it and be accepting of official cards and skills. If they are that unhappy with it they shoudl look at the real problem that makes them so powerful, which is 5 headgear slots. But they wont, because it would also gimp them, not just the classes they hate going against.
Anyway, that is all that I really have to say on the matter, but I would also like to add that Luzz is very easy to talk to. Anyone whos ever talked to him probably feels comfortable going to him with any issues they have.
Totoro:
I miss you toooooooo!! Come back nao!!!!!! <333
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:08 pm |
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There is so much going on in this topic >.> hard to keep up lol But someone wanted me to post so i will. UHHHHH To put in plain and simple and ive said it many of times but i just want to say it again even tho its already been discussed. NO PANCAKES  ! If possible get rid of them and also giggles >.> but if delayed thats fine You can always try it out and if it sucks or people wanna complain then if enough people dont like it then change it back o.o In my opinion there is nothing wrong with a trail atleast.
I could care less about the cards that people have. They have them so get over it. No matter if they hunted it or bought it. They got them fair and square so no need to really talk about it. In yet im sure like in every topic it will be brought up. /sigh o well that is my opinion on the cakes !
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:11 pm |
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@Totoro- Yes, this is an open forum. Luzz, will not change the pancake any time soon, so I'm just trying to gather players' opinion over this Trial. Some maybe think of it as a good idea, some may not, some may want a different type of change. People tend to end up flaming each other no matter what. I'm taking it that your opinion is to not have a trial at all? since I decided to post people opinion on the main post, so they don't get lost.
@Scarling- If you haven't notice human being are selfish creature. Those with cards will be against the idea of removal. Those without cards will agree to the idea of removal. But who going to be against something that benefit both parties? I brought up the idea of Kiels because there so many post about them being overpowering. There are ways to counter Thanatos, but kiel depend on the owner of the cards. People are clearly not happy with kiels because of their advantage. Beside the idea of 'Let's just remove it'... (yea, don't quote me on that because I'm just using it as a fail example) Instead just some other opinion on the topic. My opinion is 2 kiels stacking, but yea, that is just my opinion. People are not stupid enough to attack something benefit both side, so the chance that they will choose to change the headgear is never going to happen. |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:20 pm |
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Well I personally dont think* headgear, cards, or class skills should be changed. I also dont have any Kiels. But anyway, if there were only 2 headgear slots like iro then you couldnt stack more than 2 kiels anyway :p Which brings us back to my original point. Anyway, this is my last post on the topic.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:44 pm |
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| Scarling wrote: | | Well I personally dont think* headgear, cards, or class skills should be changed. I also dont have any Kiels. But anyway, if there were only 2 headgear slots like iro then you couldnt stack more than 2 kiels anyway :p Which brings us back to my original point. Anyway, this is my last post on the topic. |
Everybody think differently, it's true that the stacking of kiels is cause by Headgear's slot, but how many players will agree with the idea of removing something that was taken as a given. From the start to now your input over the topic of kiels was to remove something that players from both parties will disagree on. A handful of players agree that 2 kiels is enough to spam, this why I suggested to a 2 kiel stacking. I understand that people with more than 2 kiels will not agree to this. Beside hearing the 'they work hard for their cards' I want some type of input that is not revolving around how much effort someone put in to obtain those cards. I have own kiels before, and I know what it's like when people tell me that I'm abusing them. Because I know I am abusing them. This cycle of debate over rares will never stop. Isn't there a way to compromise between the two parties? |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:31 pm |
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Making a suggestion about Kiels, really? Because people have 3 Kiels, we should be handicaped to using only 2? Please, don't try to speak for those who actually have them.
Cause you're starting to look like the selfish one.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:12 pm |
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| NightShade wrote: | Making a suggestion about Kiels, really? Because people have 3 Kiels, we should be handicaped to using only 2? Please, don't try to speak for those who actually have them.
Cause you're starting to look like the selfish one. |
Did I speak for you? Or Did you assume I speak for you? I stated I used Kiels before and I know how overpower they are not that I have the power to speak for people that I do not know. There been plenty of topics over Rares. Like you stated kiel=bragi. That is your opinion, mine is they're not the same, and guess what my other opinion is 2 kiels is enough. You said that I'm starting to look like the selfish one. I'm the selfish one because I think there should be some sort of compromise to stop the unnecessary flaming session every once a while in forum and in game? I'm tired of reading through countless post of blah blah blah or go online to see people talking about it in @main. I can take the easy path and be like Oh you have Rares that why. However I choose not to because I know how much effort people put in to obtain their rares, and how unfair it is because someone people doesn't want to accept the fact that you have those cards. If you don't like my suggestion, then please post your opinion without insult another human being by saying they're selfish. |
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:05 pm |
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Imma say this once and only once. Kiels = Bragi without protecting a clown, and making it 2 Kiels still won't stop you from spamming. I can still hit 95% ACD which still means I can spam any skill I pretty much want to with 2 Kiels. And before anyone says you can't spam, I used 2 kiels exclusively for 2 years before finally getting my 3rd.
Anyone's argument against Kiels is thus null and void; 3 or 2 doesn't make much of a difference in the spamming department. And for the last thing. Kiels are not "overpowering" learn how to play against a person that has them better. It's not like they make any class look obsolete like GTB does.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:25 pm |
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| cake wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | Making a suggestion about Kiels, really? Because people have 3 Kiels, we should be handicaped to using only 2? Please, don't try to speak for those who actually have them.
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Did I speak for you? Or Did you assume I speak for you? I stated I used Kiels before and I know how overpower they are not that I have the power to speak for people that I do not know. There been plenty of topics over Rares. Like you stated kiel=bragi. That is your opinion, mine is they're not the same, and guess what my other opinion is 2 kiels is enough. You said that I'm starting to look like the selfish one. I'm the selfish one because I think there should be some sort of compromise to stop the unnecessary flaming session every once a while in forum and in game? I'm tired of reading through countless post of blah blah blah or go online to see people talking about it in @main. I can take the easy path and be like Oh you have Rares that why. However I choose not to because I know how much effort people put in to obtain their rares, and how unfair it is because someone people doesn't want to accept the fact that you have those cards. If you don't like my suggestion, then please post your opinion without insult another human being by saying they're selfish. |
Alright, enough trying to play innocent.
| Quote: | | Everybody think differently, it's true that the stacking of kiels is cause by Headgear's slot, but how many players will agree with the idea of removing something that was taken as a given. From the start to now your input over the topic of kiels was to remove something that players from both parties will disagree on. A handful of players agree that 2 kiels is enough to spam, this why I suggested to a 2 kiel stacking. I understand that people with more than 2 kiels will not agree to this. Beside hearing the 'they work hard for their cards' I want some type of input that is not revolving around how much effort someone put in to obtain those cards. I have own kiels before, and I know what it's like when people tell me that I'm abusing them. Because I know I am abusing them. This cycle of debate over rares will never stop. Isn't there a way to compromise between the two parties? |
Kiels aren't Overpowered for one, Two, Check what I bolded. Yet you're not trying to speak for people? Sure, people can agree that all you need is 2 Kiels, but if I have 3, I'm gonna use my 3rd one, and enjoy it. Also, I will be against your opinion of "2 Kiels stacking and that's all." because you're speaking in PAST tense that you HAD Kiels, so you no longer have them, which in many cases can lead to - "Oh they have Kiels, let's be spiteful and try to ruin them!" Please, stick to your original post about Pancakes.
And on an ending note before anyone does infact say that 3 Kiels are OP, You haven't played RO long enough to know how to counter them. If you have played RO for longer than me, and do not know how to counter it, then shame on you.
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| Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:40 pm |
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| Bubbaknoxz wrote: | | It's not like they make any class look obsolete like GTB does. |
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| NightShade wrote: | | cake wrote: | | NightShade wrote: | Making a suggestion about Kiels, really? Because people have 3 Kiels, we should be handicaped to using only 2? Please, don't try to speak for those who actually have them.
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Did I speak for you? Or Did you assume I speak for you? I stated I used Kiels before and I know how overpower they are not that I have the power to speak for people that I do not know. There been plenty of topics over Rares. Like you stated kiel=bragi. That is your opinion, mine is they're not the same, and guess what my other opinion is 2 kiels is enough. You said that I'm starting to look like the selfish one. I'm the selfish one because I think there should be some sort of compromise to stop the unnecessary flaming session every once a while in forum and in game? I'm tired of reading through countless post of blah blah blah or go online to see people talking about it in @main. I can take the easy path and be like Oh you have Rares that why. However I choose not to because I know how much effort people put in to obtain their rares, and how unfair it is because someone people doesn't want to accept the fact that you have those cards. If you don't like my suggestion, then please post your opinion without insult another human being by saying they're selfish. |
Alright, enough trying to play innocent.
| Quote: | | Everybody think differently, it's true that the stacking of kiels is cause by Headgear's slot, but how many players will agree with the idea of removing something that was taken as a given. From the start to now your input over the topic of kiels was to remove something that players from both parties will disagree on. A handful of players agree that 2 kiels is enough to spam, this why I suggested to a 2 kiel stacking. I understand that people with more than 2 kiels will not agree to this. Beside hearing the 'they work hard for their cards' I want some type of input that is not revolving around how much effort someone put in to obtain those cards. I have own kiels before, and I know what it's like when people tell me that I'm abusing them. Because I know I am abusing them. This cycle of debate over rares will never stop. Isn't there a way to compromise between the two parties? |
Kiels aren't Overpowered for one, Two, Check what I bolded. Yet you're not trying to speak for people? Sure, people can agree that all you need is 2 Kiels, but if I have 3, I'm gonna use my 3rd one, and enjoy it. Also, I will be against your opinion of "2 Kiels stacking and that's all." because you're speaking in PAST tense that you HAD Kiels, so you no longer have them, which in many cases can lead to - "Oh they have Kiels, let's be spiteful and try to ruin them!" Please, stick to your original post about Pancakes.
And on an ending note before anyone does infact say that 3 Kiels are OP, You haven't played RO long enough to know how to counter them. If you have played RO for longer than me, and do not know how to counter it, then shame on you. |
You're right I don't play enough of RO. The chance you play RO longer and more than I have is pretty much obvious. Yes, I used to have Kiels, and now I don't ta-da. This thread is pretty much an open discussion if you do not want to talk about Rares and then please feel free to talk to about pancake. If you don't want a change to kiels, then you already made your point. |
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