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Do you feel that the Ruwatch blindfold is OP?
Yes
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No
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Somewhereoutthere



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I would like to suggest changing the ruwach blindfold to Sight, now this won't change anything at all. everyone still gets their reveal.

i would also like to hear why it shouldn't be Sight give me a excellent reason why, and also why it should be ruwatch.

cause honestly just cause you get sight on a card in game that's why it has to be ruwach?, is not a very valid reason. basically your saying put skills on items that don't have cards for them. Maybe acid Demo will be next ^^


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Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:05 pm
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Seta Tokai



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Ruwatch blind fold is op as hell, no skill LKs will whine to keep it in as they want to keep two megs on and don't want to use a sight clip. Lets just make LKs more over powered... use a sight clip or fix the donate please. If you absolutely must live with it, give it permanent darkness blind effect and/or remove the slot.
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:35 pm
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Sadly guys that donate has been on here FOREVER!! xD. I dont see Luzz modifying something that if your main is Sinx or Stalker just because its your main. Your better off just developing a stratgety for the skill. There are ways around it and its not like your sacrificing your builds for it. The concept "Be Prepared" Comes to mind in this scenario.

Also remember to hold this only on LKs. Champions with Body Relocation + Ruwach own alot more the LKs do. Sinx's can grimtooth when LKs zerk also :O!!!. Truth be told Stalkers got Full Strip as well as DS spam. So you guys have skills to use on LKs. Just utilize your skills more often rather then asking for the lazy way out and have a donation made useless xD!!!


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Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:50 pm
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TrueItachi135 wrote:
Sadly guys that donate has been on here FOREVER!! xD. I dont see Luzz modifying something that if your main is Sinx or Stalker just because its your main. Your better off just developing a stratgety for the skill. There are ways around it and its not like your sacrificing your builds for it. The concept "Be Prepared" Comes to mind in this scenario.


Sadly it is apparent that u haven't been playing Forever, cause Back when it was Rain Online and not Reign Online there was no Ruwatch blindfold, and by the way what can you possibly do to "be prepared" for Ruwatch everyone has it and u can't get around it, the whole i idea a Sin or Rouge is to get the jump on a player with MayaP that is gone, now with addition of a ruwatch on a headgear, u no longer have to give up something to reveal someone.
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:01 pm
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xD!! Well I guess someone wants to argue. You enjoy yourself now read my edited post first :O!! Oh and I dont mean play LK just come up with a better use of your skills. Its not hard to do :O!!

Well thats it for me. Good Luck to you all.
Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:07 pm
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Seta Tokai



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TrueItachi135 wrote:
Sadly guys that donate has been on here FOREVER!! xD. I dont see Luzz modifying something that if your main is Sinx or Stalker just because its your main. Your better off just developing a stratgety for the skill. There are ways around it and its not like your sacrificing your builds for it. The concept "Be Prepared" Comes to mind in this scenario.


You offered nothing to this issue, you only acknowledged that your apart of the problem. Anyone can say be prepared, here's a hint All LKs Wear it!! You've clearly never been around long enough on this server to understand how over powered this donate is, back on Rain and not Reign. Sounds to me like you never played a Sinx or Stalker on WoE Rule maps.
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:16 pm
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Seta Tokai



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TrueItachi135 wrote:
Also remember to hold this only on LKs. Champions with Body Relocation + Ruwach own alot more the LKs do. Sinx's can grimtooth when LKs zerk also :O!!!. Truth be told Stalkers got Full Strip as well as DS spam. So you guys have skills to use on LKs. Just utilize your skills more often rather then asking for the lazy way out and have a donation made useless xD!!!


We are talking about the Ruwatch headband during War of Emperium.... Clearly you did not read the first post
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:20 pm
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So, another item to screw over Sins? Awesome. But to screw over Stalkers/Rogues....SHOME ON! This should just be taken out all together... Wink
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:21 pm
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Somewhereoutthere



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well thats an interesting point Itachi, and true a champ using Body relocate and ruwatch is cheap, but if you read at the top of my post it says this is not directed towards PvP rooms but to WoE, so body relocate is irrelevant.

cause in PvP u can run with blackslide but in WoE The flinch from ruwatch can be quite the nuisance to a class that is suppose to suprise you, u said "be prepare" but is that really directed to Sin and rouges cause so far i have seen a card or item that makes it so u can't be revealed
Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:23 pm
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Seta Tokai



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How about this if you must argue without reading the first post

Ruwatch blindfold = Yes

Ruwatch blindfold during WoE Hours = No

You can have it and not have it
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:24 pm
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These are all good ideas and good suggestion, but this blindfold must have been put in for a reason. From the information I gathered Luzz had put this donation in when Rain turned to Reign...and I'm almost certain before the forums were cleared there must have been a suggestion or poll about adding this donation. However, I don't think many people have thought into this skill...(In My Opinion). What does Ruwach do both in PVP and War of Emperium (Yes I know this is about WoE, but normally WoE gears go towards PVP...)? In PVP Ruwach hits a person for x amount of damage and stops there sprite for a momentary second if they were using the skill, Hide or Cloak. As the same for WoE. It seems that a problem is that momentary second of registration for the attack to enter as well as the underhiding. In my opinion I believe that, that does seem a little bit unfair but at the same time, doesn't. I think it's fair that each player should get a skill to unhide people...and I do understand there are multiple choices out there that can turn on the skill sight. I don't think its fair that a player gets a skill that causes a momentary 'lag' for a player to get caught up in such things, that also deals damage. I also don't believe it's fair that a players middle headgear does not give a player +3 All Stats.

So heres my 2 ideas...

Possibly trade out the skill ruwach for sight on the black blindfold and continue to give players +3 All Stats.

or

When a player is shown by the skill ruwach, it shuts off. (This is so players need to continue casting the skill so that, yes it shows the player and is fair, but it is also fair to the other player shown to give them a small chance to get away).
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I like the donate the way it is. O_o just my opinion. I disagree with changing the donate. Leave it the way it is pls~ ^_^ I voted No Very Happy!
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Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:43 pm
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I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.

"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"

Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.

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GlitchyVirus wrote:
I'm going to paraphrase Luzz on this.

"Pnuema shuts down ranged classes. GTB shuts down Magic Classes. Ahura shuts down Stalkers who strip (during WoE). GR/Devi shuts down Creators and Pallies and Champs (who suck). Yet all these things still stay. Why make an exception?"

Really, it doesn't matter. If ANYTHING, little harm would come from changing the skill from Ruwach to Sight, but I honestly don't think much help would come either, even from what you say.

Solution: lrn2adapt or lrn2switch or lrn2gtfokthxbai Very Happy


+1, learn to adapt.

If your complaints come from WoE, your not supposed to be a one man army. You are supposed to have guild mates to back you up and cover your main weakness. Go ahead, no really go look at ALL the GTB threads ever made on this forum. Whining about a tiny insignificant donate wont change THAT much, and if ANYTHING needs to be changed, It should be GTB over something like ruwach.

Ruwach does not make your class useless, it hinders you.
FCP does not make stalkers useless, it hinders them.
GTB does make some mage classes useless, but they still adapt and have allies to cover their weakness.
Ghostring does not make Pally/Creator/Champ useless. Ask FullMoon, Adam, Chardonay, Alucard Vladmere, Winks, anyone really etc...
Pnuema does not make archer classes useless. Certainly not in any aspect aside from straight damage dealing. They can still Trap, cast Detect, etc etc etc...
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Sun Mar 27, 2011 12:24 am
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The black blindfold creates and unfair advantage that prevents assassin cross and stalkers from preforming at their max in woe. Already in woe everyone's flee is cut and thus a job like assassin and stalker are already singled out because their ability to avoid hits is gone. When itachi said "what come to mind is be prepared" that used to apply to these powerful jobs such as lord knights paladins and creators who had to equip a horwrong card and give up a meg or other accessory so they could reveal as well as sight wasn't to much of a problem because it didn't prevent the assassin cross from moving for a second.

To say be prepared is easy to actually have the ability to be prepared is an other problem all together. There is really nothing a assassin could do to be prepared against a lord knight with ruwach. To me the black blindfold was suggested by someone who didn't want the hassle of preparing. As well as they wanted to luxury fight everyone (i mean everyone) on what they thought would be fair terms but not give up equipment they originally used on their character. common the mid head gear wasn't nearly as important as it is now and its really only because u can get ruwach on a job you play that has trouble with classes that can cloak or hide.

So now someone playing a assassin or a stalker that isn't ranged is easily and quickly picked off because they are prevented from getting up to the target and attacking because ruwach causes them to be revealed, flinch, and the lord knight, paladin or creator can have their way with them very quickly and come out of the situation on top.

This the black blindfold also diminished the use of champions, wizards, snipers, and sages in woe for revealing hidden characters because now a lord knight who doesn't have to worry about gtb, penuma, or gr/devil preventing his dmg can reveal just as easily and take care of the threat. So the already useless feeling wizards,sage and champs are not seen in woe very much. Snipers are only used for setting traps so they are a second character on an other account that the same player plays. Wizards are only used if they can spam cast without delay.

To handle some rebuttals that may come up. Some may say the black blindfold was created to stop zurg rushing assassins how ever if you have multiple classes working for you in woe like a wizard they can easily handle them easily. As for maya purple card even thou that card allows you to see them it does not let you reveal them unless you have a skill that can do so. lord knights should be using magnum break to reveal them instead of giving them a no thought build where they can just turn on ruwach and bowling bash as soon as enemy is revealed. Now Champions can do this and why because they where made to help reveal the hidden target and let their guild mates handle it or if the champ can they can handle it.

Basically the blindfold shafted assassin cross and limited stalkers to certain builds. Caused the use of other classes in woe to become limited because there are just some jobs who put ruwach to better use right.


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