[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Spawned by this thread: >>>>http://www.reignonline.net/viewtopic.php?t=2343
TLDR:
What does everyone hate about 3'rd class job skills?

How broken most of them would be if spammable, or if unchanged by a GM for our level rate.

What makes some skills so broken? Spammability.
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What would fix that and eliminate a TON of GM work from 3'rd classes?? Limiting Kiel to be a footgear slot Item or make it so it can not be stacked.


What would happen?

1: Alot of skills wouldnt be spammable like Suras apparently doing 3 Asura Strikes in a row which seems to be everyone biggest concern for SOME reasons...

AAAAAAnd before the whine bish and moan fest even happens, AD as of right now would be untouched, and if it is touched, its in a very very very negligent way
AD Itself semi spammable even without kiels, and I even have a tradeoff for making you use only one kiel, so all you AD spammers dont worry your precious little heads off, we'll do all the thinking while you sit and spam 1 button all day, chillax and keep on reading, you can still have your cake and eat it too.

2: Alot of work going into making 3'rd classes would be negated, this means more new skills for everyone faster AND LESS WORK FOR THE GM TEAM, but without the nuclear fallout of Genetics being the master race of PVP zones. (As stated by Glitchyvirus)

3: It free's up 2 headgear slots for you people, 3 headgear slots if it becomes a footgear

4: for people who HAVE to spam maybe make Kiel Cards do 35-45% aftercast delay instead of 30%? If these changes happened I dont see why 40% would be a bad number. There are other way to reduce aftercast aside from Kiels, so your not being punished at all should 40% be the max, it just means you have to make it work another way.
(Assuming these changes do happen of course, if these changes dont happen you aint getting crap)

Not voting on it yet.

I would like people opinions in text format so all the AD spam lovers wont instantly shut down this idea, because god forbid if they want to have a valid opinion they need to read this entire message and post why their opinion would be validated, and not just scroll down and say "Nerfing my AD? Wheres that no button?" I honeslty would not have made this topic had people not said to me so many times "But a AoE Acid demo? OMG NOOOOOZ, SCREW THIRD CLASSES MAN!!!11 SCREW THE ENTIRE UPDATE NUUUUU"

So apparently the acid demo spammers have dug their own grave, and the third classes as well by abusing it so much, and I want my third classes damnit, and I know Luzz would appreciate ALOT less work being needed to make 3'rd class balanced, and i think this is a excellent way to do it.
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[Toft]

This is stupid.. if you don't want skills to be spamable, go on a low-rate, like iRO. This is a friggin' private server, the skills are MEANT to be spammed on here.

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Well no offense Toft, but spam-ability of any skill is what seems to be holding this server back from moving forward at all, as VERY evident in the thread that spawned this one. This is just a idea too, and nothing is set in stone. And last I checked, having newer classes also had potential to increase server population.

(Thats how it worked for 2'nd classes anyways way back in the day, if anyone remembers RMS server that advertised they had newer classes released)
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[jogradz1225]

its not the 3rd classes that's broken, its the RENEWAL SYSTEM that's broken, the skills and the sprites are just improved versions of the old world, its the Renewal System that makes the 3rd classes Suck.
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[Sephiroth7500]

Well, I was thinking, how about for 3rd classes, they can't get instant cast no matter how much DEX they have, and for 2nd classes they can have the usual 150 DEX = Instant?
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[ShadowNguyen91]

Honestly I really don't see the point in changing anything dealing with 3rd classes. I've already said this once but I'll say it again. "Okay, lets all settle down here. This has happened once before already when 2nd Jobs were first released (I believe the server had opened after that.) everyone probably threw a fit about them but after awhile they accepted them. This will be exactly the same way. Everyone's complaining now but soon after everyone will change their mind." Just think this probably came up hundreds of times when second jobs came out. There's no reason for anything to be changed what so ever. Almost 99 percent of active users on this site are max level, once third jobs are released everyone will transfer over and everything will be back to normal somewhat, the few things that'll change is the fact that people will have to learn how to counter these new skills like they did once second jobs were released.
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[EdgarGrimfang]

[Xzerostu]

You all forget two things that luzz states in all suggestion, he will not change basic foundations of the game. Very little exceptions, and i can tell you right now: Kiel and 3rd jobs will not change, especially Kiel- I could see maybe 3rd jobs, but by the time 3rd jobs come out officially to where Luzz would even implement it. It would be perfected and bug free. It is also to my understanding that we ourselves are really far away from having the 3rd job system. So i say lets let it happen then complain then if were going to. You never know, gravity could always fix them up so well that it makes ro better forever, and remember Officially you cant have 2-1 and 2-2 skills while you have 3-1 and 3-2 skills, officially it doesnt work that way. So my guess is that it should work the same here. You should be presented with a choice. To change and use a new classicfication of skills. Or to keep the old. then maybe increase how many characters you can have a bit.

LK's will loose beserk if they switch to rune knight in a real scenario, so kiels or not with hundred spear theyd be inhibited. Warlock might be a good issue here, and so might Sorcerer, but they also have there flaws that profs made up for and high wiz's made up for. And on top of that SInx's they become cheaper as gilx's but at a big cost. NO edp.

I think these examples are self sufficient, and that we will live.
-1 to this suggestion.

And in regards to AD spam- People will still bragi dual client, an AD spammer can get the job done in that limited of time, especially if they are skilled.
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[GlitchyVirus]

[ShadowNguyen91]

Adam if it does magic damage in an AoE fashion wouldn't Land Protector negate it?
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[Xzerostu]

yeah but if you lpd, your seceptiple to normal AD which would get you killed.
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[Glenfiddich]

I play a creator and use 3 kiels. When playing a class, you understand the mechanics of how to beat it. I know how to defeat a creator every time.

Maybe you need to make yourself a creator, learn how to play it, so you can learn how to beat it. Because you are talking up AD spams wayyyy too much.

On to topic; I don't want to see the 3rd classes at all, until they have been altered and fixed to a reasonable level for a medium rate.
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