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I find this funny. First it was Mage classes raging on GTB, now it's on Ruwatch? Geez, what's next.
Since I'm here, I'll add a bit more. I used to use Horong. But since half the Sins I fought just started spamming Cloak and whatnot, I got the blindfold instead, spending the few zennies I had.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:09 am |
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| gomEn wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | Look, Sight is the same thing. it' snot gonna kill anyone if they change the blindfold you still will reveal any cloaked/hidden character.
i would like to hear why it shouldn't be sight, not why you want to keep ruwach. |
As simple as leave it as it is, my 2 cents would be.
If you did said the ruwatch and sight is the same, why do you want to change it then? matter of losing 1 accessory slot?
But, if you think sighting enemies that is hidden = Overpowered.
That's even easier. Remove Horong + Black Blindfold at once.
Because for me, I don't really see the way OP it is as it is. Every class got their own futile and fragility. And it doesn't seems fair if you only saying this revealing stuff as the one matters. Zerked LK, Pneuma-ed Champs, Whole class with GTB?
Live and let live. |
i was waiting for you :3 specifically, and here is what i have to say to ur 2 cents
a penny for you thoughts: why do you not want to change it? why are you arguing with me, we are on the same page here, you just decided that you'd twist what i said to benefit your point of view, to make me look stupid. Like i didn't expect a person like you would come and ask this question? come on dood that's why i said it. next time actually argue a valid reason why i want to change it instead of taking what i said. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:12 am |
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| Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | Monochrome wrote: | Because
1. You can already get Sight
2. Ruwach is not over-powered
3. That sounds like more work than should be applied to this matter. It is very trivial
4. The amount who use this item far outweighs the number of those who do not
5. Removing Ruwach from the blindfold and replacing it with sight will errupt a stronger domino effect, unlike any you could possibly hope to imagine.
First, changing this will force our honor to change the other hats that players don't like. After that will follow the pricing: They're no longer as good, why should they be so expensive? Then comes the regular items.
Foreseen Result: a Reign RO completely devoid of all players.
Sometimes it's better not to question the sun's brightness, and just thank it for its warmth. |
1 .yes u can get sight from a card but does anyone use it??? removing ingame items to make it more convenient to players. ok works
2. never said ruwach was over powered all i said a head equip with it is
3. very trivial to people who don't play classes who cloak/hide
4. who doesn't use this item? combo'd with MayaP ur pretty much set
5.your right by changing this your right people will start saying well why doesn't this do this or why doesn't this change but isn't that how the blindfold came to be???
And you know, when there is a tree blocking that sun, then your not feeling warmth. |
1) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
2) It's not.
3) If you EXPECT that you're supposed to be able to get whatever the hell you want, then tell me what you're smoking because I want a puff of it.
4) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
5) LOLNO.
If a tree is blocking the sun, and you're not feeling the warmth, GET OUT FROM UNDER THE TREE DUMBASS. Don't just say "OMG GET THE POWER SAW, CUT THE MOTHERF**CKER DOWN!" You're depleting the oxygen in the world.
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Based on all of the "arguments" you've made, Jig needs not make you look stupid.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:17 am |
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| GlitchyVirus wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | Monochrome wrote: | Because
1. You can already get Sight
2. Ruwach is not over-powered
3. That sounds like more work than should be applied to this matter. It is very trivial
4. The amount who use this item far outweighs the number of those who do not
5. Removing Ruwach from the blindfold and replacing it with sight will errupt a stronger domino effect, unlike any you could possibly hope to imagine.
First, changing this will force our honor to change the other hats that players don't like. After that will follow the pricing: They're no longer as good, why should they be so expensive? Then comes the regular items.
Foreseen Result: a Reign RO completely devoid of all players.
Sometimes it's better not to question the sun's brightness, and just thank it for its warmth. |
1 .yes u can get sight from a card but does anyone use it??? removing ingame items to make it more convenient to players. ok works
2. never said ruwach was over powered all i said a head equip with it is
3. very trivial to people who don't play classes who cloak/hide
4. who doesn't use this item? combo'd with MayaP ur pretty much set
5.your right by changing this your right people will start saying well why doesn't this do this or why doesn't this change but isn't that how the blindfold came to be???
And you know, when there is a tree blocking that sun, then your not feeling warmth. |
1) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
2) It's not.
3) If you EXPECT that you're supposed to be able to get whatever the hell you want, then tell me what you're smoking because I want a puff of it.
4) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
5) LOLNO.
If a tree is blocking the sun, and you're not feeling the warmth, GET OUT FROM UNDER THE TREE DUMBASS. Don't just say "OMG GET THE POWER SAW, CUT THE MOTHERF**CKER DOWN!" You're depleting the oxygen in the world. |
touche to countering my tree quote
to everything else u pretty much proved my point enough said
and you know i've cut down that tree, i've moved out from under it, but it doesn't help when they plant 1 or 2 more right in my path.
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| Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | GlitchyVirus wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | Monochrome wrote: | Because
1. You can already get Sight
2. Ruwach is not over-powered
3. That sounds like more work than should be applied to this matter. It is very trivial
4. The amount who use this item far outweighs the number of those who do not
5. Removing Ruwach from the blindfold and replacing it with sight will errupt a stronger domino effect, unlike any you could possibly hope to imagine.
First, changing this will force our honor to change the other hats that players don't like. After that will follow the pricing: They're no longer as good, why should they be so expensive? Then comes the regular items.
Foreseen Result: a Reign RO completely devoid of all players.
Sometimes it's better not to question the sun's brightness, and just thank it for its warmth. |
1 .yes u can get sight from a card but does anyone use it??? removing ingame items to make it more convenient to players. ok works
2. never said ruwach was over powered all i said a head equip with it is
3. very trivial to people who don't play classes who cloak/hide
4. who doesn't use this item? combo'd with MayaP ur pretty much set
5.your right by changing this your right people will start saying well why doesn't this do this or why doesn't this change but isn't that how the blindfold came to be???
And you know, when there is a tree blocking that sun, then your not feeling warmth. |
1) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
2) It's not.
3) If you EXPECT that you're supposed to be able to get whatever the hell you want, then tell me what you're smoking because I want a puff of it.
4) I used to use it before I got a second Maya P to use. Dylan uses it. Nick uses it. God, you act as if EVERYONE has one, but you don't know anything do you?
5) LOLNO.
If a tree is blocking the sun, and you're not feeling the warmth, GET OUT FROM UNDER THE TREE DUMBASS. Don't just say "OMG GET THE POWER SAW, CUT THE MOTHERF**CKER DOWN!" You're depleting the oxygen in the world. |
touche to countering my tree quote
to everything else u pretty much proved my point enough said
and you know i've cut down that tree, i've moved out from under it but u know what it doesn't help when they plant 1 or 2 more right in my path. |
Whatever you say.
Move to another town and stop QQing.
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:28 am |
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| Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | gomEn wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | Look, Sight is the same thing. it' snot gonna kill anyone if they change the blindfold you still will reveal any cloaked/hidden character.
i would like to hear why it shouldn't be sight, not why you want to keep ruwach. |
As simple as leave it as it is, my 2 cents would be.
If you did said the ruwatch and sight is the same, why do you want to change it then? matter of losing 1 accessory slot?
But, if you think sighting enemies that is hidden = Overpowered.
That's even easier. Remove Horong + Black Blindfold at once.
Because for me, I don't really see the way OP it is as it is. Every class got their own futile and fragility. And it doesn't seems fair if you only saying this revealing stuff as the one matters. Zerked LK, Pneuma-ed Champs, Whole class with GTB?
Live and let live. |
i was waiting for you :3 specifically, and here is what i have to say to ur 2 cents
a penny for you thoughts: why do you not want to change it? why are you arguing with me, we are on the same page here, you just decided that you'd twist what i said to benefit your point of view, to make me look stupid. Like i didn't expect a person like you would come and ask this question? come on dood that's why i said it. next time actually argue a valid reason why i want to change it instead of taking what i said. |
No my dear, I'm not on the same page with you.
-Imagine Assasin [Since if you were talking about stalker, FYI: Chase Walk can't be ruwatch-ed] with PD and GTB, or Flee and GTB. And can't be ruwatch easily, they hide switch to katar and spam Grimtooth to whoever walking towards them. Boom! [Might be you can use this too on WoE rules map, speed potion, Sleipnir, Moonlight Head, run as fast as you can, hide Grimtooth with edp before they knew what hit them ;D]-
I don't want to change it because, the horong is available, so why not ruwatch?
If you were asking if anyone use it, my lovely answer would be, because the one who use Horong Accessory<Black Blindfold, that doesn't mean that the item it self is overpowered or no one use it.
For the question that I asked, such LK,Champ, etc. That's only a comparison on How the other class has their own advantage, and fragility too. I suppose.
Btw, if you were playing thief class and found out that you can't handle being ruwatch-ed or sighted, I suggest you to change to another job class. :B
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| gomEn wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | | gomEn wrote: | | Somewhereoutthere wrote: | Look, Sight is the same thing. it' snot gonna kill anyone if they change the blindfold you still will reveal any cloaked/hidden character.
i would like to hear why it shouldn't be sight, not why you want to keep ruwach. |
As simple as leave it as it is, my 2 cents would be.
If you did said the ruwatch and sight is the same, why do you want to change it then? matter of losing 1 accessory slot?
But, if you think sighting enemies that is hidden = Overpowered.
That's even easier. Remove Horong + Black Blindfold at once.
Because for me, I don't really see the way OP it is as it is. Every class got their own futile and fragility. And it doesn't seems fair if you only saying this revealing stuff as the one matters. Zerked LK, Pneuma-ed Champs, Whole class with GTB?
Live and let live. |
i was waiting for you :3 specifically, and here is what i have to say to ur 2 cents
a penny for you thoughts: why do you not want to change it? why are you arguing with me, we are on the same page here, you just decided that you'd twist what i said to benefit your point of view, to make me look stupid. Like i didn't expect a person like you would come and ask this question? come on dood that's why i said it. next time actually argue a valid reason why i want to change it instead of taking what i said. |
No my dear, I'm not on the same page with you.
-Imagine Assasin [Since if you were talking about stalker, FYI: Chase Walk can't be ruwatch-ed] with PD and GTB, or Flee and GTB. And can't be ruwatch easily, they hide switch to katar and spam Grimtooth to whoever walking towards them. Boom! [Might be you can use this too on WoE rules map, speed potion, Sleipnir, Moonlight Head, run as fast as you can, hide Grimtooth with edp before they knew what hit them ;D]-
I don't want to change it because, the horong is available, so why not ruwatch?
If you were asking if anyone use it, my lovely answer would be, because the one who use Horong Accessory<Black Blindfold, that doesn't mean that the item it self is overpowered or no one use it.
For the question that I asked, such LK,Champ, etc. That's only a comparison on How the other class has their own advantage, and fragility too. I suppose.
Btw, if you were playing thief class and found out that you can't handle being ruwatch-ed or sighted, I suggest you to change to another job class. :B |
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I used to play Stalker.
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Somewhereoutthere | Quote: | | "And you know, when there is a tree blocking that sun, then your not feeling warmth." |
if your not felling warmth thean your frozen and dead
sdoes that happen when you step in to the shade? 0_0
it dosent to me...
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No one here is saying that ruwach is OP.No one is saying that revealing hidden characters is op.
Its that this equip makes jobs like lord knights and creator be almost like one man army.
When a assassin cross could easily give them a run for their money. Ruwach causes flinch a momentary stop in movement one tile away from the caster. Holding them at bay and at the mercy of the caster of ruwach for that second.
These characters don't use it to help their guild mates find hidden characters they use it to make it so they can make sure they have pretty much every job under their attack radius.
It should be sight not ruwach because even thou it still reveals it doesn't cause flinch and the sin can still go into his attack like he normally should.
Its not the revealing that is the problem its the fact that ruwach was given only to priest and champs for a reason because if an assassin was to come at them that one second of flinch can give them a chance to react or their guildmates to react. Now the reason the horworg gave sight and not ruwach was because it was realized that any other job that could use ruwach could take advantage of the flinch it caused and create some unbalance.
These how ever are all assumptions on my part and are only meant to be something to think about.
Most of you seem to think that we're complaining about is that "omg i can't be a sin because everyone can reveal me" that's bull and all of you know it. It's not the revealing it's the the abuse of the flinch is causes. Its very unfair.
I'm supporting this because the assassin's in my guild cannot even play because the lord knights use ruwach the sin flinches out of cloak and they get bowling bashed or spear'd to death and can't even get away or fight back. |
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| Most People using Ruwach just point sight out Sinx or Stalker, I personal think about Ruwach, when you Ruwach always After-Cast Delay. The point sight out is get the point attack if Ruwach change Sight, so would be easier the reason is : Sight don't have After-Cast Delay Problem. |
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| Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:46 am |
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| jonishan wrote: | No one here is saying that ruwach is OP.No one is saying that revealing hidden characters is op.
Its that this equip makes jobs like lord knights and creator be almost like one man army.
When a assassin cross could easily give them a run for their money. Ruwach causes flinch a momentary stop in movement one tile away from the caster. Holding them at bay and at the mercy of the caster of ruwach for that second.
These characters don't use it to help their guild mates find hidden characters they use it to make it so they can make sure they have pretty much every job under their attack radius.
It should be sight not ruwach because even thou it still reveals it doesn't cause flinch and the sin can still go into his attack like he normally should.
Its not the revealing that is the problem its the fact that ruwach was given only to priest and champs for a reason because if an assassin was to come at them that one second of flinch can give them a chance to react or their guildmates to react. Now the reason the horworg gave sight and not ruwach was because it was realized that any other job that could use ruwach could take advantage of the flinch it caused and create some unbalance.
These how ever are all assumptions on my part and are only meant to be something to think about.
Most of you seem to think that we're complaining about is that "omg i can't be a sin because everyone can reveal me" that's bull and all of you know it. It's not the revealing it's the the abuse of the flinch is causes. Its very unfair.
I'm supporting this because the assassin's in my guild cannot even play because the lord knights use ruwach the sin flinches out of cloak and they get bowling bashed or spear'd to death and can't even get away or fight back. |
Stop bitching and deal with it. Tell your friends to max LKs and they won't have this problem since they're "SO CHEAP" anyway.
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No my dear, I'm not on the same page with you.
-Imagine Assasin [Since if you were talking about stalker, FYI: Chase Walk can't be ruwatch-ed] with PD and GTB, or Flee and GTB. And can't be ruwatch easily, they hide switch to katar and spam Grimtooth to whoever walking towards them. Boom! [Might be you can use this too on WoE rules map, speed potion, Sleipnir, Moonlight Head, run as fast as you can, hide Grimtooth with edp before they knew what hit them ;D]-
I don't want to change it because, the horong is available, so why not ruwatch?
If you were asking if anyone use it, my lovely answer would be, because the one who use Horong Accessory<Black Blindfold, that doesn't mean that the item it self is overpowered or no one use it.
For the question that I asked, such LK,Champ, etc. That's only a comparison on How the other class has their own advantage, and fragility too. I suppose.
Btw, if you were playing thief class and found out that you can't handle being ruwatch-ed or sighted, I suggest you to change to another job class. :B |
see now we can argue, cause you instead of taking what i said have you finally come out into the open. Stalkers moves slower than sins in cloak when they're in chasewalk thus why they can't be revealed but that's not gonna stop Meteor assault or magnum break and yes u can hide equip a katar and spam grims tooth hey very valid point.
and having ruwach on a headgear cause you can get Sight on a accessory already it a good argument but ya know there was a reason why horong is sight and not ruwatch. what if it was ruwach on the horong card? would people have suggested sight on a headgear instead? ask the quesion would the same apply
WOULD U HAVE ARGUED TO PUT SIGHT ON A HEADGEAR IF HORONG GAVE RUWACH! Thats the whole reason you guys wanted ruwach cause sights already on a card. i'm tellin you this NO because ruwach goes a little bit further than the normal standard to reveal someone. that is the main reason why ruwach was chosen
and you know that probably why u see more LK's and Alchy's and snipers in WoE than anything else because they decided i hate being revealed and losing so i'm going to switch so i can win |
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