[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Some random suggestions:

Let Professors Soul Burn go through GTB

Let "effects/Status" go through GTB, but keep damage reduction at 100%
Stone Curse, Freeze, ETC let junk like that bypass GTB's.
Here is why that would be 90000 times better then a damage resist reduction, a GTB only doing 80% reduction isnt much considering 80% of 3599 with bolts is = 719.88 ooooh a LK is missing 800 HP, and he hasnt even zerked yet, big deal unless it goes below something like 60% reduction it wont be worth it and god knows you idgits wont ever let that happen because a Lord Knight might lose for once because he lost more then 800HP on a 150,000 + HP character. (and thats not even adding in reducers)
And this probly wont fly anyways, because you will all cry you might have to switch equips and it would just be easier for us to switch our characters, playstles, and builds completely, then for you to be assed into equip switching. =/

Increase the skill cost penalty to 60-80% from 50%

Stop any SP restoration at all with it on, even if you use soemthing like Blue Pots.

Not all of these need be at once mind you, but just some random ones to think about.

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

Lets see...
no

no?

and lol no


Only thing ive heard that is good for a GTB
is make it +100 mdef
same basic effect,counter-able

and thats still stupid

leave gtb alone, if gtb is altered i say alter some other cards while your at it

so say, a hydra that effects magic 20% increase? gotta make all the classes just the same right?

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

GTB is the most game braking card ingame, it counters 4 classes and countless cards.
Nothing else does that.

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

Maybe they wanted nothing else to?

Melee has dmg increasers

Magic has dmg reducer

GTB makes magic miss at a cost,ok

Thana does sick dmg to people with good vit


Now you say" but not everyone has high vit! Q_Q"

not everyone does magic



every card,every class,every element
all has pro's and cons
you dont like GTB's?
i dont like TG's,Thana's,Hydra


so get over it,go make your own server and change it there

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Well fine then instead of you shitting things up, how about you list what you dont like about those cards and suggest said changes? This is the place to do it afterall.
But just a hint, you wont ever see a TG, Thana, or Hydra being used by any mage classes reliably in close combat.

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

Did i say that?
And whats all the deal about changing EVERY little thing for pvp?
gtb isnt made for pvp/woe,its not your personal toy.has it occurred to anyone that maybe gtb was designed for leveling/quest use? It kills mage classes.ok.
not all it does. if you'd look past your ignorance maybe you'd understand.

[Xarrow]

GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT = Mage that got killed too many time by lk with gtb.
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[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

Can you read?
or are you just taking wild guesses,
cause tip for ya, your way off

[GRANDPA DREADNAUGHT]

Well Last I checked Luzz wanted this RO to be as close to official servers as possible, and Official IRO has GTB banned sooooooooooo.

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

ok.
Luzz, stat!
hurry huryy~ ban everything that dosnt make everyone perfectly happy

gogogogo!

i mean seriously dude.

[shadowfiend95]

lol.

[Mutt]

Let High Wizard Card penetrate GTB

[Kiku_Ichiomonjii]

i still say the most reasonable is +100 mdef, which i still say shouldnt happen lol

[Xzerostu]

Why is it a big deal, weve gotton by just fine, and i think skye said it all.

That the reason gtb probly doesnt get considered is because of reading through pages, and pages of bickering. Leave it alone. I dont like that high jump was banned, i dont like that this that and other thing were banned. And trust me ive had a gtb, sure its dreadfully boring, but thats how it is. I dont have it now, and i meet gtb on the battlefield with my prof all the time.

These things reflect, pnuema clips its all so overated. Pnuema clips have to active theres ways to knock people out of them and you can get them to come to you, reflects only lethal if you dont heal, dont pot, or any sort of healing if your so desperate. I face all these things including gtb as you listed in our previous "bickers" over this.

And im sick of it. So heres my come back at what you said,

To start off lets consider other rares. LK card, ive seen it on alot of things.
Thana. Kiels, Bragi even, along with GR and Maya P, all these things can make alot of things possible and there not impossible to get, but EVEN WITHOUT THEM!

-Professor-
-Meets GTB lk, what do you do?. You pot, you soul burn another person take there sp, and then give it to the lk or if you soulburn your sp give it to the lk, regen make it possible to do all of this in safety wall.
Then you where ring of flam lords, and you stab you with a good str build if your that damn desperate, or even without. the pressure will keep that sp down. And if you Pot youl win. If they pot, then you fight an endless battle, if noone pots? then saftey wall stab saftey wall stab, your a Professor your not running outta sp. And if you where reflect on top of this, wtf is the lk gonna do bb you? you where no knock back and you saftey wall still. or you keep making saftey walls. Trust me it can be done, i have done it, and if your skilled enough it can happen.
-Meets GTB magic class. MAYA ~ MAya~ and Stab~, it can work the same way.
Maybe against a sinx and a champ your boned, but most of the time that champ will go heal and if you catch him most of the time they take that gtb off to buff or heal, most champs do, and they can be stabbed and sucked of there sp just like any other class, along with silence and status effects, bullshit if a prof cant spank that melee ass if he feels like going through the pain in the ass to do it.

EVEN if your desperate you can abracadabra strip shield which i have also done.
And hey i duel client a stalker, which can happen jsut like a linker and a clown. So yea. And that can apply for all magical classes.

and oh noes they have FCP, welp theres the above mentioned way to beat that.

-Wizard-
You got me here, I cant think of what a wiz can do to a Lord Knight other then magic crasher with thana if that even works, and hey you never know if they have the right mvps along with pots, who knows but i cant make much of an argument here. but wizards also have some of the most powerful magic so i think that its not too bad. Maybe you could even get a tannee and pot asura an lk LOL? might get you a lucky ass kill on a noob lk.
But again i cant make that much of an argument here

-Stalker-
Stalker is useless?, No Way. My stalker has never been magic build, and even wtih one he could strip and play bich all day until fcp wheres off.

But a Bow Stalker, and flee stalker, would pwn an lk. And i dont even use flee but i can tell you flee and perfect dodge, can be a powerful thing trust me against anything mostly.

But a Bow stalker plain and simple. I havent met the sniper who was MORE powerful then my BOW stalker. And thats when i half ass buff myself. Ive been on equal footing with snipers and beat them. Lks have tried and faild. Champs have pnuemad and been bowling bashed, holy crossed for blind, reduced dodged backslided away from, your gonna tell me the most diverse class in the game cant beat anything, Ive killed everything at least once with my stalker. Everything, from LK, to kiels, to thana, to gtb, to lk wielding half of thsoe and fbh. Believe it, and ill meet you or anyone on the battlefield to prove that statement. Reflect does jack shit, and pnuema clips? pfft. if they bryn ill bb them to death, if there an lk, well they gotta leave to hit me. and backslide backslide backslide, and woe? well stalkers are strippers in woe thats there basic job.

SinX
EDP grimmtooth, no reflect, pnuema clip means run, throwing daggers for status effects and weapon breaking, sinxs can be the most cheapest pieces of shit to walk the earthly plain. And belive that, because even fighting magic class, though the magic class should win, if your good they wont touch you...

Sniper
Traps are a powerful thing, Crit lock is too, stripping status effects, pnuema clips? pfft trash is what those clips are. They have to active and even when they do, that lk or whoever wont stop coming to wreck that shop and hel be locked again, trap down skid trap up, with sp traps= Takes down lk and champ, believe it, not a theory ive done it. And with enough reducers and pots if your desperate; status effects through pnuema and all can be a bitch.

Champ
Are you kidding me?. They heal, they have asura, and sure it can be reduced, but they fly around the screen with pharaohs swinging those buffs and decrease agi around on those lks, pnueming and running away, If and lk beats a champ its just sad. And the Champ is lazy.

Priest
Holy light can be dangerous with those debuffs and a link. and what angeling?. Well thats when you break out the mace some aesperio and saftey wall with an amon ra, and beat that lks little ass down and heal while you do it. Status effects, rare mvps like LK, shit can happen. Theres ways to make that lk so tired of you he wont fk with you. Ide like some of my priest freinds to see there class being brought down. A well plaid priest is that big pain in the ass to a lord knight, invincible my ass.

WhiteSmith
Break shit, heal with pots, and rape that ass with the cart term, thats as simple as it gets. Throw a thana on it, get a speed pots and get to the lks fast and they aint shit. and thats the truth, a potting whitesmith with speed pots fighting almsot anything can probly zip around and spank the monkey. Not the most perfect group of a class but they can get the job done despite reflect ive seen it and done it.

TaeKwan
LOL?!. really now? Taekwon class beasts all the time. Glads at there full potential do so much FSK dmg, it doesnt matter with breakfall or pnuema, almsot anything gets raped with those at there potential with there miracle buffs and hatreds. A well played taekwon of any calibur can do well. and while linker might be at the disadvantage, i take offense to rankers and glads being subject to pnuema and reflect because the enemey usually falls before then. Paladins might have this class down, but that would be my only bet. As far as reflect anyways and range reduction

Gunslinger
My slinger can do some dmg, without kiels. Tracking for 25k a shot?. Ways to knock people outta pnuema. and knockback. There not the biggest walks in the park, but loosing pnuema they still cant do it usually. But kiels bragi and tracking build make them a force to be scared of, ive killed every class with this one and i havent even done a kiel or bragi build yet.

Ninja
They can avoid dmg and jump around, they can get some kiels or bragi. And hey they can put some magic reducers on for those maya people. Gtb might own this class, but there so ridiculous with there shurikens if used right they could be a potentially annoying force.

Every class is so broad i could go for days about these things you listed and how to avoid them effectively with each class.

I dont know where you get your figures, and im surprised glen of all people would side with getting rid of gtb or saying ninja are over powered, ive seen that dude spank the monkey against those things, and hes no noob, we all can or have at some point its not impossible. This isnt a big deal and probly wont change. If it was going to, it would have in the almost 3 years the server has been here.

Why make a big deal out of something thats not even that bad.
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